The Grace of God experienced through the Word of God

The Holy Spirit revealed the Gospel to the elect prior to the KJV and He will continue to do so till scripture is needed no more. Jerome was condemned for his translation and so was Erasmus, so the 'modern translation' is the KJV if you want to be picky. Most (not all) KJV only advocates believe a false gospel so obviously the KJV doesn't do them any good! Faith is given by the Holy Spirit, it matters not how poetic the words are, the Holy Spirit will guide all of the elect into truth.

The Holy Spirit revealed the Gospel to the elect prior to the KJV and He will continue to do so till scripture is needed no more.

I wouldn't dispute that Mickey. The KJV came after the Coverdale as well as other translations that came from the same stream of manuscripts. I never said that I am KJV only, but I believe that the correct manuscripts were preserved as Ps 12:6-7 tells us. I don't believe that this just refers to the original autographs. I believe that we have a preserved Word today, whichever language it may be.

Jerome was condemned for his translation and so was Erasmus, so the 'modern translation' is the KJV if you want to be picky.

Condemned by whom? Most people I hear condemn it as well. Does the majority opinion rule?


Most (not all) KJV only advocates believe a false gospel so obviously the KJV doesn't do them any good!

I agree that a lot of them do, but that is neither here nor there.

Faith is given by the Holy Spirit, it matters not how poetic the words are, the Holy Spirit will guide all of the elect into truth.

I certainly agree that the Lord will guide His elect into all truth, but I believe that the words are very important. Changing the words often comes with changing the meaning.

As I have indicated, I don't want to be contentious about this. It is up to the individual which translation they read. I was merely casting my thoughts on the subject into the ring. For me though, we walk by faith and not by sight.

I have been dismayed over quite a period to hear ministers tell us what the bible "should" say as opposed to what it does say. Frankly, the concept of faith goes out the window. This walk with God is a walk of faith, not a walk of skepticism about what the bible says.

For me I need a bible that I can totally trust. Psalm 12:6-7(KJV) tells me that I have it . I believe it. That settles it in my mind!

God bless you Mickey!

Kevin.

I love the KJV. I think it is an awsome translation, but I also love the NKJV and the NASB. These are the top three versions that I use in my studies.

I'm with you John, those are the 3 versions I use as well. Kevin, here is an example of a verse in the NASB that we found on Sunday that really simplified the message of what we were studying. 1 Corinthians 1:30 in the KJV & the NKJV say "But of Him you are in Christ Jesus" and the NASB says "But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus". We just thought it was an awesome way to be straighforward. Just a thought! The Lord will teach us what we need to know regardless of which translation we use, amen?

I like the interaction on this thread Kev. and your studying the issue further, here are a couple of other scriptures that are of great comfort to me.........

Jn 18:36-37, (MKJV)
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would fight so that I might not be delivered to the Jews. But now My kingdom is not from here.
Pilate then said to Him, Are you a king then? Jesus answered, You say it that I am a king. To this end I was born, and for this cause I came into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.

Another thought I had too, had to do with those whom Jesus fought often with...........

Jn 5:37-47, (MKJV)
And He sending Me, the Father Himself, has borne witness of Me. Neither have you heard His voice at any time nor seen His shape.
And you do not have His Word abiding in you, for you do not believe Him whom He has sent.
You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life. And they are the ones witnessing of Me,
and you will not come to Me that you might have life.
I do not receive honor from men.
But I know you, that you do not have the love of God in you.
I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me. If another shall come in his own name, him you will receive.
How can you believe, you who receive honor from one another and do not seek the honor that comes from God only?
Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you, Moses, in whom you trust.
For if you had believed Moses, you would have believed Me, for he wrote of Me.
But if you do not believe his writings, how shall you believe My words?
And along with these words in John 8:44

One thing we learn from Jesus here also is, that no matter what LANGUAGE He spoke to them, the outcome would be the same. It didnt matter if these Jews had scripture in Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, and on and on we go till the present day with the High -Scholarly & Properly- Educated, Accredited- judaizers of our own time, truth is only understood by Jesus' flock of sheep, and as the Spirit of truth is poured thru Jesus into us.........we understand truth is a revelation.

I have thought about what you have said, and I believe that the elect will get to know the Word of God, that is Jesus Christ Himself as God, and as a person, and that He will save to the uttermost ALL of His Elect.

I started this thread as it were, throwing some ideas out there of where the Lord, I believe has taken me. I am not saying that everyone has to agree with my particular convictions. If I am wrong about any of this, I would want the Lord to sow in my heart cast iron solid evidence of any wrong that I have.

The ideas that are expressed on this forum is a testimony of the work of God that is being wrought in our hearts whichever bible is being used.

God is God in spite of ourselves.

Blessings always and thank you.

Love in Christ,

Kevin.

Once again, I'm so glad you are here and active again as others have said, but again you are correct, not one of Jesus' sheep will perish, not one.

Well written. Probably the greatest defender of the KJV today is Peter S Ruckman at <KJV1611.org>. People who follow him are called Ruckmanites. But he doesn't entertain bible correcting for a moment .
Best,
Westminster

Years ago I was a KJV only idiot (now I'm just a regular idiot ) until I found out some bits of history about bible versions.

The interesting thing is that the Geneva Bible which was the english bible of the masses continued it's popularity for decades after the KJV had been released.

Many of the same stupid arguments that have been advanced by the KJV only crowd were also used by many of the adherents of the Geneva who couldn't seem to adjust to the idea that the KJ was every bit the word of God that the Geneva was.

Somethings never change.

Thanks for your response. We are told that the Geneva bible and the Bishop's bible were in the same line of manuscript evidence as the KJV.

Here is my statement on Bible translations:

http://www.predestinarian.net/bible....1&version=nasb

Thanks for using the Predestinarian Network Bible software. This software was written by Brandan Kraft from scratch and has been in development since 1998.
This software has been designed for the purpose of obtaining quotes to be pasted into documents, e-mails, or message boards. Much of the formatting has been stripped for the purpose of copying and pasting easily(ie. footnotes, etc..)

The default translation is the New American Standard Bible (NASB). It is probably the best translation that involves the use of the minority texts. There are several translations included in the software for the purpose of study and comparison.

John Gill's Commentary has also been included, and it provides usually superb opinion and comments (although not always correct) about each verse of the entire Bible.

The inclusion of a translation in this application is not an endorsement of that translation. I believe that comparison between translations is beneficial for teaching, including teaching by antithesis. I know very little about the \"World English Bible\" but included it because I thought a translation in \"dynamic equivalence\" comparable to the \"New International Version\" was appropriate for study. The studious reader will find that sometimes these translations will contradict each other, and that should spur each person on to discover the truth by applying a GOSPEL hermeneutic to the text.

- Brandan

Thanks for the reminder Brandan!