Does any one know where I can find eschatological writings by Hanserd Knollys and the other early Baptists? I am looking for anything having to do with the millennium and the doctrine of eternal punishment.
Peace
Does any one know where I can find eschatological writings by Hanserd Knollys and the other early Baptists? I am looking for anything having to do with the millennium and the doctrine of eternal punishment.
Peace
i've never even heard of the guy but i found the following:Originally Posted by tomas1
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...104443-3710360
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...00000000040820
When I get a little money, I buy books; and if any is left, I buy food and clothes.
--Erasmus
A room without books is a body without soul.
--Cicero
My guess is that it is pretty varied given the diversity with all that is referred to as Baptist. There was probably a higher concentration of post/amillenialism among the english dissenters and a higher concentration of premillenialism among the anabaptists on the continent. Dispensationalism was non-existent.
For whatever strength of arm he may have who swims in the open sea, yet in time he is carried away and sunk, mastered by the greatness of its waves. Need then there is that we be in the ship, that is, that we be carried in the wood, that we may be able to cross this sea. Now this Wood in which our weakness is carried is the Cross of the Lord, by which we are signed, and delivered from the dangerous tempests of this world.--St. Augustine
Some writings like this are not available on the internet or any other common source. It may very well be that you can only find them in the archives at large seminaries like Trinity or Fuller.
Strangely, the prophetic journal of the strange British Irvingite sect the Catholic Apostolic Church ("The Morning Watch", published from around 1829-1833) is in such library archives. So I am sure that the type of thing you are looking for is in some library--if it is large enough!
On eternal punishment, we have already discussed in other threads that the sole dissenter (of 'published' fame) among the predestinarian Baptists was Samuel Richardson, one of the seven original signators to the First London Confession in 1644. He was later opposed by almost all of the others, but probably believed in harmony with a certain 'weak thread' tradition of Anabaptist (a misnomer) nonconformists. Leroy Edwin Froom points out this history in his massive work 'The Prophetic Faith of our Fathers.' The book also establishes that there were numerous other dissenters from eternal punishment in the free-will Baptist camp.
The doctrine of a pre-trib rapture originated in the Irvingite publication 'The Morning Watch' referred to above. So there was no dispensationalism in the history of Christianity prior to that point. Baptists before that time (for hundreds of years) were typically either a-mil or pre-mil, with neither one being predominant over the other.
Now see here how sleepy-headed all our opponents are, and how little it helps a man to rely on the ancient fathers, for all their repute down the course of the ages! Were they not all equally blind to, yes, and heeldess of, Paul's clearest and and plainest words?
--Martin Luther
The Froom work documenting this history is "The Conditionalist Faith of our Fathers," also a massive book. "Prophetic Faith" is a massive work defending the historicist view of prophecy.
Now see here how sleepy-headed all our opponents are, and how little it helps a man to rely on the ancient fathers, for all their repute down the course of the ages! Were they not all equally blind to, yes, and heeldess of, Paul's clearest and and plainest words?
--Martin Luther
I know what I want for my birthday. I’ll be looking for those titles. The reason I asked was every thing that I have come across implies that Knollys and others advocated violence to bring about the fifth monarchy. But when actual quotes are given they seem only to look forward to the same sort of radical post mill future that I hope for. For example
“The voice of Jesus Christ reigning in his Church comes first from the multitude the common people….God useth the common people and the multitude to proclaim that the Lord God omnipotent reingeth: as when Christ came at first the poor reciveth the Gospel, not many wise not many nobel not many rich but the poor you that are of the meaner rank. Common people be not discouraged: for God intends to make use of the common people in the great work of preaching the Kingdom of his Son. Let them pray let them make their voices heard. Parliament will hearken to them and defend the saints against Antichrist. And once the yoke of Antichrist is cast off their will be liberty of the churches’ and men will be free to search for truth that knowledge may be increased.”
This is my kind of guy! I would enjoy reading more.
Tomas:
I would assume that many of us would say 'amen' to this hope, in spite of the fact that we have no beliefs in either the legitimacy of violent civil disobedience or of the hope of a radical post-mil earthly triumphalism.
I certainly do!
For me, the ekklesia is in its early infancy and will one day grow up. Reformation will not come from the churches but from small companies of 'common' believers (as you say) who truly love and study the Bible as the bread of their souls. However, scripture does not teach that the ekklesia will ever dominate the kingdoms of the present world in a material sense. Liberty brings both the freedom to seek truth but also the freedom to scorn it. I truly do not know where the future is headed from a political standpoint, but we have no doubt where it is headed from the standpoint of the gospel!
The ekklesia never grew up. It may take another 2,000 years; and another 2,000 years; . . .
Now see here how sleepy-headed all our opponents are, and how little it helps a man to rely on the ancient fathers, for all their repute down the course of the ages! Were they not all equally blind to, yes, and heeldess of, Paul's clearest and and plainest words?
--Martin Luther
Here is a another example of the radical postmill eschatology of the 1640s. http://virtualnorfolk.uea.ac.uk/civi...tfifthmonarchy
Would you give me your opinions? One thing that strikes me is the emphasis on the law of Christ rather than the moral law or the Decalogue. I think it would fit rather well with NCT don’t you?
Just so no one misunderstands me I am not in any way excusing the violence that a minority who held similar views committed to try to bring about the rule of the Saints. It’s the stone that destroys the image not us. We are only to wait for it to happen.
Dan 2:44In the days of those kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall the sovereignty of it be left to another people; but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever. 2:45Because you saw that a stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God has made known to the king what shall happen hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation of it sure.
Maybe this link will work better http://virtualnorfolk.uea.ac.uk/civi...printable.html
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