How was the Catholic name established? Is there a chapter in the scriptures that indicates the rise of Roman religion or some indication that are indirectly classifying them being established?
How was the Catholic name established? Is there a chapter in the scriptures that indicates the rise of Roman religion or some indication that are indirectly classifying them being established?
Catholic means Universal, not Roman Catholic. When the See moved from Antioch to Rome, thats when the RCC started too use Catholic synonmously.Originally Posted by Seeker
I think ignatious was the first to use the term.
Joe
There were not separate denominations at the time of the apostles. There was the great split between the eastern and the western church in 1054 and the Roman Catholic Church was what the west became. There were already differences between the two bodies but schism finally ocurred. Churches and denominations do not go apostate overnight. It was a long gradual process where the church began to rely on the authority of men rather than God. If a denomination which has been started by those who love the truth can last 50 years these days it is an amazing thing.
For whatever strength of arm he may have who swims in the open sea, yet in time he is carried away and sunk, mastered by the greatness of its waves. Need then there is that we be in the ship, that is, that we be carried in the wood, that we may be able to cross this sea. Now this Wood in which our weakness is carried is the Cross of the Lord, by which we are signed, and delivered from the dangerous tempests of this world.--St. Augustine
I am glad that WB has pointed out these historical facts; the Roman Catholic church did not exist as presently organized until after 1000 A.D. As far as the false pseudo-Christian sects based on a works-gospel, these became legion after the death of the apostles. The great apostasy is nothing limited to a single church organization, although the most prominent one before the East/West split was the large organized church-state of religion following arch-bishops at Rome, Alexandria, Constantinople, etc.
Historically, the West split off from the East and not vice-versa; whatever that is worth (to me it is not worth much--except to disprove the continuity of RCC popes back to the apostles).
Now see here how sleepy-headed all our opponents are, and how little it helps a man to rely on the ancient fathers, for all their repute down the course of the ages! Were they not all equally blind to, yes, and heeldess of, Paul's clearest and and plainest words?
--Martin Luther
Some Catholics today, still do not distinguish themselves as Roman CAtholic. They call themselves Catholic. ROman is considered slanderous to some of them. The history is related to Peter going to Rome becoming Bishop there. This became his SEE. It became known as The Church in Rome. The actual word "catholic" was first used by ignatious I believe, but only meant universal not an area or denomination. the CHurch Catholic.
Joe
Referencing Acts 20:29-30 says, "I know that after my departing grievous wolves shall enter in among you, not sparing the flock;and from among your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them." I would assume the flocks where the apostles teachings being corrupted by liberals and conservatives thus politics of Rome was somewhat added to the formation since the church of Rome is the root of Catholic. I might be wrong.
I would not say wrong, I have no clue what that means at all.. hahahahaha. Rome has nothign to do with catholic!!!!!!!!!!!!! catholic, the churhc catholic meant universal.. defined orthodox beliefs. What was believed taught and confessed.
Joe
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