My Letter to Outside the Camp

[Brandan Kraft]

http://www.pristinegrace.org/media.php?id=402

I thought I'd share this letter with you. This topic will only be available for comment for a couple days.

[ray kikkert]

http://www.pristinegrace.org/media.php?id=402

I thought I'd share this letter with you. This topic will only be available for comment for a couple days.

I thought I was a hot head. This lad has me beat hands down! I replied to Andrew, no reply yet. Ah to be 18 again. Whats this fornication business he charges with in his rebuke?
I had to laugh, this letter of his went around to quite a few forums. I thought of him as a theological terrorist, some new years resolution thing, in and out real quick, pounding with his WMD( you fill in the blanks). He must hold the record for being on and kicked off a list in the least amount of time. Took me a tad, tad longer to get the bounce from GenevaNet Ever heard of that Forum. It is UK based.
Anyways, good, fair reply Darth. Well said.
greetings and salutations, el rana

[lionovjudah]

http://www.pristinegrace.org/media.php?id=402

I thought I'd share this letter with you. This topic will only be available for comment for a couple days.

Brandan, this kid makes you look like a "liberation theologian"


Joe

[Skeuos Eleos]

Brandan,

I commend you in the Lord for your response. It was very well done. I agree 100%. I sense a slight change in your approach to such matters and I like it.

Warmest regards,
Martin

[doctr_of_grace]

You nailed him to the wall Brandan. What nick does andrew use in Paltalk? I don't know if I have spoken to him before or not.

Jan

[Brandan Kraft]

Andrew goes by Andrew C. Bain and anti-paradox.

Anyway, last night he said clearly that God both hates and loves the elect - the ultimate paradox, don't you think? I wonder if Carpenter would affirm this or not.

Brandan

[lionovjudah]

Andrew goes by Andrew C. Bain and anti-paradox.

Anyway, last night he said clearly that God both hates and loves the elect - the ultimate paradox, don't you think? I wonder if Carpenter would affirm this or not.

Brandan

Brandan:

Shake the dust off your heels. You adressed this extremist very concisely and honestly and humbly. The continuous engagement with this group only results in some sort of credibility. We wonder why we have our Jim Jones' and David koreschs'. Take the light off them and know that you have not sunk to their depths.


Joe

[Brandan Kraft]

I agree Joe - this was on paltalk - and he was engaging me. I personally feel sorry for the lad to be honest with you.

[lionovjudah]

I agree Joe - this was on paltalk - and he was engaging me. I personally feel sorry for the lad to be honest with you.

Brandan:

i remember reading that one of your favorite scripture is found in Isaiah

"look to me and be ye saved,..... I am God and there is no other"

Throughout history, those that have set themselves up as judge, jury, kings of this or that have been dismantled by our Lord. Where are they all now? They lie in heaps of ashes. This group is one that has elevated their "understanding" as that of Gods. Sooner or later they will be on the perverbial slippery slope. I would honestly say they are not worth your time and effort any more.


Joe

[Jimc]

Dear Darth,

If I may be so humble to as publically indicate where I stand on being "judgmental" and Arminianism.

I. Finite existance is not a truth in comparision to eternal existiance. Self awareness is a mystery. Thinking and/or percieving does not truly imply existance. The NIV is wrong, all things are not "from, through, and to God" but only "of, through, and to God" as in the KJV.

II. There is no progrssive sanctification especially in ECCL!!!

III. There is no general call.

IV. There is no age of accountablility.

V. Charles Finney was Arminian and is in heaven.

VI. Martin Llyod-Jones was fully pelagian and is in hell. He was not a Calvinist nor was he saved. He did not understand free grace or justification. He was a philosopher and a brilliant thinker and full of a lot of very impressive and overwhelming hot air: But the quote about being misunderstood as preaching licentiousness is not a confession of Christ however as keen as it might seem.



Outsidethecamp is an inexcusable web site. Arminianism is saved. Openess that denies the Omniscience of God for sure and perhaps maybe conditional security are fully pelagian and unsaved.


Charles Finney ultimately dismounts from all of his ranting and raving and seeming fully pelgian wise cracks and argumentativeness on the side of Arminianism and substitution and confesses Christ.


I ultimately haven't looked at John Wesley in particular closely but I do know that many of the Christians that Outsidethecamp.com says are not saved were saved and he is condemning God's justified and Elect servants which is as bad as being reprobated oneself. Outsidethecamp is outside the fold.

In Christ Jesus,
Jim C.

www.penalsubstitution.com

-- is not a Freudian slip!

"live long and prosper" --Spock.

[mereaux]

Is it true that the editor of Outside the Camp is only 18 or something?

1) All who believe a false gospel are not saved.

(2) Arminianism is a false gospel.

(3) Thus, all who believe Arminianism are not saved.

I found this on that website somewhere. I think it's funny; he never defines Arminianism. He lists Gordon Clark in the hall of shame on the grounds that Clark stated Arminians can be saved. Outside the Camp never defines Arminianism or saving faith. For example, he says "all who believe a false gospel are not saved." He works on the assumption that all who read his article know what his notion of the gospel and Arminianism are. He ought to present us with what he thinks the gospel is and why the Arminians cannot believe it.
I think that what John Robbins and Clark were saying, in the hall of shame article, was that even some who profess to be Arminian can be among the elect--think in assent to propositions in the Bible of justification....

(1) The gospel is God's promise to save His people conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed righteousness of Christ alone.
(2) Every regenerate person believes the gospel.

(3) It is not possible for a regenerate person to confess a false gospel.

(4) All who believe that Jesus Christ died for everyone without exception (universal atonement) are unregenerate.

This is wild.... I don't know where he gets proposition 4. Nor do I think he gives a good definition of the gospel, or saving faith.

Oh well. The fellow hates Arminians, but he never--to my knowledge--gives an explanation or definition of Arminianism. How are we supposed to know what the editor is talking about?

[ray kikkert]

Is it true that the editor of Outside the Camp is only 18 or something?



I found this on that website somewhere. I think it's funny; he never defines Arminianism. He lists Gordon Clark in the hall of shame on the grounds that Clark stated Arminians can be saved. Outside the Camp never defines Arminianism or saving faith. For example, he says "all who believe a false gospel are not saved." He works on the assumption that all who read his article know what his notion of the gospel and Arminianism are. He ought to present us with what he thinks the gospel is and why the Arminians cannot believe it.
I think that what John Robbins and Clark were saying, in the hall of shame article, was that even some who profess to be Arminian can be among the elect--think in assent to propositions in the Bible of justification....





This is wild.... I don't know where he gets proposition 4. Nor do I think he gives a good definition of the gospel, or saving faith.

Oh well. The fellow hates Arminians, but he never--to my knowledge--gives an explanation or definition of Arminianism. How are we supposed to know what the editor is talking about?

I think this babbler Andrew Bain is 18. As for the babbler Carpenter, not sure. You should try emailing him asking him for his age and at the same time ask him the questions you posiited here. It will be an interesting email