Re: The "emergent church" movement

[Bigbil]

I am new to this forum and I guess I would have to say that rather I am not an out and out armininist but more of a questioning Calvinist

And i find this old topic interesting as my Church is going some way down this road

As far I am concerned my church ( of which I am a member of the PCC) has no desire to water down the word of God but it does wish to fulfill the great commission and go to all nations and preach the gospel

In this reguard we are going down the road towards cell based church, for we fill this is the way to bring non-christians into contract with the gospel

I persoanlly don't know it really works in reguard to how you get our freinds to cross the bridge form socials and the like to coming to the bible base teaching groups but I think Do not want to rebell against my leadership ( who born again, bibel beleiving christians) and kick agaianst the pricks

I guess I have notice over the last couple of years a trend towards titching were people scath rather than book by book preaching of god's word whcih i persaonnly perfer

But when I have question this kind of thing I get told there are a lot more ways of reaching the lost than by simply preaching the gospel from the front of a church

The cry of my heart is that lost come to know Jesus as there Lord and savoiur and it does not seem that "old school" ways of being church and not really achcieving this and maybe there is better way, after all the the Acts is all about house church, not big church buidlings, but and this is big but, it worriies me that this apraoch ( hopefully not in my own church) does not share with others the full council of God

My understanding of the emeging church is that it will enable us to be more effecftive wittnesses of the Gospel and if if does that without compromise I have no major problem with that

I personlly have no desire to walk hand in hand with "chirstians" small "c" who do not beleive in the infalliblty of Gods words, or Salvation is by grace alone but I do want be the most effective wittness I can be of the Gospel of Jesus

This freindship evangelism thing has been a problem with me for a long time,yes we should love people as people because God loves them, but how long do we do this, if we don't get the opptunity to share the gospel with them, is this the best use of ome's time

I don't know thw answer to this question

For me persaonnlly it is quite a hard thing to do anyway as 90% of the poeple I work with are women and therfore close freindships with them is diifercult

I dont know the answer to all these questions but your post have giving me lots to think about

Yours in Him

Bill

[wildboar]

The emerging church movement is a movement which pretends to be wiser than God. God has told us how to bring the Gospel to people. We do not need to run after every trend which just brings more tares into the church and deprives the sheep of food. If we truly believe God's Word we know that the preaching of the Word is powerful enough to convict the sinner. God's Word does not return to Him void.

[Bigbil]

Dear wildboar

What do you mean by preaching (i'm a preacher myself), do you mean up front "sermon" type preaching or all types of shareing Gods word with others eg like Jesus talking to the women at the well

I personally think these days we downplay "pulpit preaching" but I'm not surte it's the only way of preaching

Yours in him

Bill

[Christ_†_Alone]

Charles,

you might find this interesting:

http://emergentno.blogspot.com/2005/...mars-hill.html

[Brandan Kraft]

http://www.freep.com/news/religion/crumm3e_20050603.htm

"Remember what Jesus always wanted to know?" he asked. "What's the fruit we're producing? Is justice being done? Are people sharing their possessions? Are the oppressed being set free? Are relationships being healed? To me, that's the point. Everything else is just chatter."

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He described breath as a form of prayer and urged people to relax and "breathe out" all of their anger and stress from the past week. He knelt and prayed, "God, we are fragile clods of dirt, and we need you to breathe into us hope and truth and love and courage."

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Something in that earthy moment moved people in visible ways. One man near me cupped his face in his hands and used his fingers to wipe away tears. A woman kicked off her sandals and sat cross-legged as a beatific smile spread across her face.

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As the service ended, parishioner Michael Sullivan, 27, of Grand Rapids said Mars Hill is the first church he's seen "that boils down church to the essentials -- just music and a message about what we're going through in our daily lives."

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Women's ordination? No problem at Mars Hill. A third of the 15 associate pastors who work with Bell are women.

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Homosexuality? Bell tells gay people the same thing he tells everyone who walks through the door. It's a powerfully affirming line that he repeated in his sermon on Sunday: "God loves you exactly as you are. Period."

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And, even as Rob Bell went from Okemos High School to Wheaton College in Illinois and Fuller Theological Seminary in California, he moonlighted as a guitarist in punk bands.

Well this explains a lot. Fuller theological seminary has been pumping out DUNG like this for awhile now!

At the restaurant on Sunday night, Bell wiped a final bit of curry from his chin and said: "The bad thing about a lot of theology today is that it works like a box. The church draws a square box around itself and divides the world between people who are 'in' and 'out.' I don't think that's what Jesus intended. He saw the church as a journey we take together. That's what interests me: the exploration, the relationships, the excitement of trying to discover this together. All I'm doing is asking people to come along."

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Thanks Carla for exposing this puke.

[Ivor Thomas]

Same old Mar's hill types that the Apostle Paul had to tell to repent, Worship any thing!, for God is not known to them, they are Emerging but where from? and where to? Ivor Thomas..

[wildboar]

What do you mean by preaching (i'm a preacher myself), do you mean up front "sermon" type preaching or all types of shareing Gods word with others eg like Jesus talking to the women at the well

I personally think these days we downplay "pulpit preaching" but I'm not surte it's the only way of preaching

Personal evangelism is very important, but it is primarily through the preaching of the Word that God saves His people. It is through the minister called by the church that people hear Christ.

Romans 10:14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?

And what people need to hear about is Christ and Him crucified. I've watched every single NOOMA video. There is not a single mention of the importance of the crucifixion of Christ. We hear about Jesus the Rabbi and how he told Peter that Peter didn't have enough faith in himself supposedly.

[lionovjudah]

What is NOOMA?

Is there a biblical acronym cheat sheet that is avaliable?

[ray kikkert]

http://www.freep.com/news/religion/crumm3e_20050603.htm

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Well this explains a lot. Fuller theological seminary has been pumping out DUNG like this for awhile now!

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Thanks Carla for exposing this puke.

LOL. I think you need a group hug Darth

[L-Today]

Yes, a group hug it is then, for your bull's eye comments, Brandan. Spot on! Gag and puke, and even those are too mild titles for these and all other 'emergers'.

The very stupid name of this movement is an immediate suspect all by itself, even before reading their new-age-self-actualization poison. Nor is a special gift of discernment necessary for recognizing who they are from the first glance.

L

[wildboar]

NOOMA puts out the videos of Rob Bell walking around and yakking, while he digs in sidewalks and runs through storms.