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    My Take on Luther and Hatred of the Jews

    Since I am part Jewish, I think you guys need to see my take on Luther's hatred of the Jews. It is important that this man is the essence of Covenant Theology and his fruits eminate out of the doctrine and power mix that is real Covenant Theology. In other words, there is a pattern here:

    The wonders of the internet. I searched around as I often do and was taken aback by what we can learn from an unbeliever named James Walker. This man has a website http://www.nobeliefs.com/luther.htm . I quote him in words relating to the anti semitism shown by the Protestant Reformer, which is not surprising given the understanding that this man ENGAGED IN SACRALISM AND IN THE PERSECUTION OF PEOPLE WHO WERE UNDER THE THUMB OF SACRAL POWER. This is what Mr Walker says about Martin Luther:

    "Unfortunately few popular books on Luther go into detail about Luther's anti-Jewishness, or even mention that he had a hatred for Jews at all. This has resulted in a biased outlook towards Martin Luther and Christianity. This unawareness of Luther's sinister side, while honoring his "righteousness" leads to a ratcheting promotion of Luther which supports a "good" public image while also transporting his Jewish beliefs to those who carry the seeds of anti-Semitism. This will present an unwanted dilemma for many Christians because Luther represents the birth of Protestant Christianity as well as the genesis of the special brand of Jewish hatred that flourished only in Germany.
    Although Luther did not invent anti-Jewishness, he promoted it to a level never before seen in Europe. Luther bore the influence of his upbringing and from anti-Jewish theologians such as Lyra, Burgensis, (and John Chrysostom, before them). But Luther's 1543 book, "On the Jews and their lies" took Jewish hatred to a new level when he proposed to set fire to their synagogues and schools, to take away their homes, forbad them to pray or teach, or even to utter God's name. Luther wanted to "be rid of them" and requested that the government and ministers deal with the problem. He requested pastors and preachers to follow his example of issuing warnings against the Jews. He goes so far as to claim that "We are at fault in not slaying them" for avenging the death of Jesus Christ. Hitler's Nazi government in the 1930s and 40s fit Luther's desires to a tee.

    So vehemently did Luther speak against the Jews, and the fact that Luther represented an honorable and admired Christian to Protestants, that his written words carried the "memetic" seeds of anti-Jewishness up until the 20th century and into the Third Reich. Luther's Jewish eliminationist rhetoric virtually matches the beliefs held by Hitler and much of the German populace in the 1930s."

    Needless to say, God could not have looked upon Martin Luther with generosity because of this hatred alone, not to mention the doctrinal misuse of law and government that drove him to political power in the first place! Here is just one of the many disturbing quotes that Luther made that flies in the face of Romans chapter 11 and Paul's refusal to hate his Jewish brothers:

    "If we wish to wash our hands of the Jews' blasphemy and not share in their guilt, we have to part company with them. THEY MUST BE DRIVEN FROM OUR COUNTRY."
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    Re: My Take on Luther and Hatred of the Jews

    bgamall:

    You are speaking of an age where separation of church and state was unheard of. In such an instance are you really surprised that Luther would want the Jews excommunicated from the country? The Jews did cause many problems. Luther speaks of their murderings and their plots and these things did go on. Here's what Luther writes in one section:

    They are real liars and bloodhounds who have not only continually perverted and falsified all of Scripture with their mendacious glosses from the beginning until the present day. Their heart's most ardent sighing and yearning and hoping is set on the day on which they can deal with us Gentiles as they did with the Gentiles in Persia at the time of Esther. Oh, how fond they are of the book of Esther, which is so beautifully attuned to their bloodthirsty, vengeful, murderous yearning and hope. The sun has never shone on a more bloodthirsty and vengeful people than they are who imagine that they are God's people who have been commissioned and commanded to murder and to slay the Gentiles. In fact, the most important thing that they expect of their Messiah is that he will murder and kill the entire world with their sword. They treated us Christians in this manner at the very beginning through out all the world. They would still like to do this if they had the power, and often enough have made the attempt, for which they have got their snouts boxed lustily.
    And at the end of his letter he writes:

    So long an essay, dear sir and good friend, you have elicited from me with your booklet in which a Jew demonstrates his skill in a debate with an absent Christian. He would not, thank God, do this in my presence! My essay, I hope, will furnish a Christian (who in any case has no desire to become a Jew) with enough material not only to defend himself against the blind, venomous Jews, but also to become the foe of the Jews' malice, lying, and cursing, and to understand not only that their belief is false but that they are surely possessed by all devils. May Christ, our dear Lord, convert them mercifully and preserve us steadfastly and immovably in the knowledge of him, which is eternal life. Amen.
    If Luther was the Hitler of his day, why was he praying for the conversion of the Jews?
    For whatever strength of arm he may have who swims in the open sea, yet in time he is carried away and sunk, mastered by the greatness of its waves. Need then there is that we be in the ship, that is, that we be carried in the wood, that we may be able to cross this sea. Now this Wood in which our weakness is carried is the Cross of the Lord, by which we are signed, and delivered from the dangerous tempests of this world.--St. Augustine

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    Re: My Take on Luther and Hatred of the Jews

    Luther was apparently praying to his god for the conversin of Jews to his own brand of christianity. His prayer was not Spirit-empowered. I cannot believe anyone has the stomach to try and defend Luther as respects his attitude towards Jews on the basis of the existing cultural or political or religious consensus of his day and age. The Holy Spirit is powerful in any age to work in His own the Scriptural attitude towards enemies of the truth. He did not indwell Luther quite obviously. Luther's spirit is seen from his rotten fruits, his attitudes and beliefs and practises and writings. All rotten to the core, no soundness in them at all. Even his mind and conscience was defiled.


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    Re: My Take on Luther and Hatred of the Jews

    Quote Originally Posted by harald
    Luther was apparently praying to his god for the conversin of Jews to his own brand of christianity. His prayer was not Spirit-empowered. I cannot believe anyone has the stomach to try and defend Luther as respects his attitude towards Jews on the basis of the existing cultural or political or religious consensus of his day and age. The Holy Spirit is powerful in any age to work in His own the Scriptural attitude towards enemies of the truth. He did not indwell Luther quite obviously. Luther's spirit is seen from his rotten fruits, his attitudes and beliefs and practises and writings. All rotten to the core, no soundness in them at all. Even his mind and conscience was defiled.


    Harald
    Dont hold back any punches Harald. I believe pope leo respected him more than you.

    THe Apostle John was not too warm to the jews either in his writings. the early church was not to warm to the jews either. Why single out Luther?
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    Re: My Take on Luther and Hatred of the Jews

    Joe,

    I don't care for any "the early church". At least in the NT there is no such thing as "the early church". There was "the assembly of God", which Saul of Tarsus persecuted. This was the Jerusalem assembly as I understand it, at least primarily this one. Then there were also other assemblies composed of believers who were zealous of the Law of Moses. Then there came "the Body of the Christ" on the scene, and with it distinctly Pauline Body assemblies. So your "the early church" is an entity foreign to the NT, it is too ambiguous and unspecific a thing. Today I have to be primarily concerned about how "the body of the Christ" is to be in attitude as respects ethnic Jews, which Luther raged against. And to learn what attitude this entails I look mainly to Paul's epistles. And I do not see Luther's attitude in Paul, on the contrary. Paul said in Galatians 6 to do what is beneficial towards all. This would include such Jews as Luther hated and exhorted to do harm to. Luther was diametrically opposed to Paul, thus being in stubborn disobedience to Paul's command. Luther displayed "enmity", a work of the flesh in Gal. 5., also "wrath", and "murder" in attitude at least.

    You ask why single out Luther. This thread is about him primarily. Ask bgamall why he singled out Luther. But nonetheless, it brings glory to God to expose/reprove the unfruitful works of the darkness. In this case Luther and his unfruitful evil works.

    Among other things Luther is credited with having said that if he were to baptize a Jew he would take him to the river (can't recall its name now) and hang a stone round his neck and throw him in with the words "I baptize you in the name of Moses", or something in that direction. I have the quote on file for verification if need be. Many other wicked things Luther uttered, thereby displaying an entire want of self-mastery ("self control"), a part of the fruit of the Spirit. It is wickedness in God's sight to go about defending such an evidently and manifestly ungodly enemy of God and truth. Shame on those as do so.


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    Re: My Take on Luther and Hatred of the Jews

    Wildboar, your statements are not worthy of response. Luther's behavior convicts him in any sane court of opinion even among unbelievers! And is there any wonder why God may graft the old branches back on and cut the Gentile branches off!

    Lionofjudah, what are you thinking? Shame on you.
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    Re: My Take on Luther and Hatred of the Jews

    Well, let's bring the unbelievers in to judge!! The unbelievers who despise any kind of absolute truth and are willing to find any slanderous thing they can find and charge it against God's elect. I'd rather be a Lutheran than an unbelieveran. If you are going to post something from Luther be honest enough to post it in context. Words taken out of context constitute lying.
    For whatever strength of arm he may have who swims in the open sea, yet in time he is carried away and sunk, mastered by the greatness of its waves. Need then there is that we be in the ship, that is, that we be carried in the wood, that we may be able to cross this sea. Now this Wood in which our weakness is carried is the Cross of the Lord, by which we are signed, and delivered from the dangerous tempests of this world.--St. Augustine

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    Re: My Take on Luther and Hatred of the Jews

    The problem Wildboar is that that which is taken as faith is not. What I am saying is that unbelievers in this case are more objective than those who claim to believe! Stand back and look, Martin Luther was the Ayatolah of his time. Calvin too. Don't think that the church state ever demonstrates mercy! It did not in the Inquisition, the Holy Wars with the Arabs, in Cromwell's murder of the King of England, or in this instance. What we hate about the Muslim extremists is what we find in the Covenant Theology mainstream, historically! Does this need to be shouted from the rooftops?

    And on top of that, Owen and the Puritans with their pious words and such supported this murder of the King of England to replace one church state system with another!
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    Re: My Take on Luther and Hatred of the Jews

    Joe,
    I don't care for any "the early church". At least in the NT there is no such thing as "the early church". There was "the assembly of God", which Saul of Tarsus persecuted. This was the Jerusalem assembly as I understand it, at least primarily this one. Then there were also other assemblies composed of believers who were zealous of the Law of MosesAmong other things Luther is credited with having said that if he were to baptize a Jew he would take him to the river (can't recall its name now) and hang a stone round his neck and throw him in with the words "I baptize you in the name of Moses", or something in that direction. I have the quote on file for verification if need be. Many other wicked things Luther uttered, thereby displaying an entire want of self-mastery ("self control"), a part of the fruit of the Spirit. It is wickedness in God's sight to go about defending such an evidently and manifestly ungodly enemy of God and truth. Shame on those as do so.
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    Hi Harald. Nice post as usual. Sounds like Luther was trying to play "God" in some ways and instead of focusing on those calling themselves "jews" he should have focused more on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Hatred leads to hatred.

    Concerning the ECF's, they took the bible very "literally" most times and even Calvin had problems with parts of Scripture. The jews were of the house of Judah, Judeans, and that included the Priests and rulers of Israel that resided around Judea. It was these that went around persecuting those that were trying to preach the gospel that Paul was preaching because to them, he was anti-Moses. The only reason the pagan gentiles [romans] persecuted them was the fact the corrupt jews were saying Christ was a King.

    I believe it boils down to what was said in Genesis, that enmity/hatred would exists for the sole reason of Christ becoming a "stumbling stone" to the jewish rulers/Law of Moses. The amazing fact is, it was prophecied that HATRED would exist between the seed of Christ/Spirit and the seed of "Moses/LAW". Those who call themselves "jews" today I believe bring on this hatred and sometimes I believe it could God causing it.[The house of Israel was "divorced" by God but are "remarried" upon believing unto the faith of Jesus]

    I don't hate anyone of anyone religion, but the word "jew" is a major word in the bible and designates those that still look back to Moses and one really can't be called a "jew" and believe in Jesus.
    Hard to put in my own words sometimes how I view Scripture, so if I don't appear clear it is because I wasn't endowed with great word "skills" LOL. Blessings.

    Gene 3:14 So the LORD God said to the serpent: "Because you have done this, You [are] cursed more than all cattle, And more than every beast of the field; On your belly you shall go, And you shall eat dust All the days of your life. 15 And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel."

    Ezekiel 35:5 Because thou hast had an age-abiding enmity, And hast delivered up the sons of Israel unto he hands of the sword,- In the time of their misfortune, In the time of the final punishment for iniquity,
    Jesus isn't talking to the "lost sheep" here but the Priests and rulers and most christians fail to distinquish between the common Israelites and the Jewish Rulers/Priests.

    Matthew 23:1 Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, 2 saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.

    Matthew 21:43 "Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it.

    1 thess 2:13 For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcomed [it] not [as] the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which also effectively works in you who believe. 14 For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God which are in Judea in Christ Jesus. For you also suffered the same things from your own countrymen, just as they [did] from the Judeans, 15 who killed both the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they do not please God and are contrary to all men, 16forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they may be saved, so as always to fill up [the measure of] their sins; but wrath has come upon them to the uttermost.




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    Re: My Take on Luther and Hatred of the Jews

    Quote Originally Posted by bgamall
    Wildboar, your statements are not worthy of response. Luther's behavior convicts him in any sane court of opinion even among unbelievers! And is there any wonder why God may graft the old branches back on and cut the Gentile branches off!

    Lionofjudah, what are you thinking? Shame on you.
    Shame on me for what Gary? I only asked why do you and others single out Luther as if he was some racial cleansing freak.

    Was he the first to write against the jews in this manner?

    John Chrysostom, 344-407 A.D., preached: "The Jews ... are worse than wild beasts ... lower than the vilest animals. Debauchery and drunkenness had brought them to the level of the lusty goat and the pig. They know only ... to satisfy their stomachs, to get drunk, to kill and beat each other up ... I hate the Jews ... I hate the Synagogue ... it is the duty of all Christians to hate the Jews.


    In 313 A.D., the Edict of Mila outlawed synagogues, and in 315 another edict allowed the burning of Jews if convicted of breaking the law.

    Origen (185-254 C.E.) echoed the growing hostility:
    "On account of their unbelief and other insults which they heaped upon Jesus, the Jews will not only suffer more than others in the judgment which is believed to impend over the world, but have even already endured such sufferings. For what nation is in exile from their own metropolis, and from the place sacred to the worship of their fathers, save the Jews alone? And the calamities they have suffered because they were a most wicked nation, which although guilty of many other sins, yet has been punished so severely for none as for those that were committed against our Jesus."
    Hippolytus writes:
    "Now then, incline thine ear to me and hear my words, and give heed, thou Jew. Many a time does thou boast thyself, in that thou didst condemn Jesus of Nazareth to death, and didst give him vinegar and gall to drink; and thou dost vaunt thyself because of this. Come, therefore, and let us consider together whether perchance thou dost boast unrighteously, O, Israel, and whether thou small portion of vinegar and gall has not brought down this fearful threatening upon thee and whether this is not the cause of thy present condition involved in these myriad of troubles."

    Gregory of Nyssa (331-396 C.E.) gave the following indictment:
    "Slayers of the Lord, murderers of the prophets, adversaries of God, men who show contempt for the Law, foes of grace, enemies of their fathers' faith, advocates of the Devil, brood of vipers, slanderers, scoffers, men whose minds are in darkness, leaven of the Pharisees, assembly of demons, sinners, wicked men, stoners, and haters of righteousness."43


    Chrysostom said:

    "The Jews sacrifice their children to Satan....they are worse than wild beasts. The synagogue is a brothel, a den of scoundrels, the temple of demons devoted to idolatrous cults, a criminal assembly of Jews, a place of meeting for the assassins of Christ, a house of ill fame, a dwelling of iniquity, a gulf and abyss of perdition."44
    "The Jews have fallen into a condition lower than the vilest animal. Debauchery and drunkenness have brought them to the level of the lusty goat and the pig. They know only one thing: to satisfy their stomachs, to get drunk, to kill, and beat each other up like stage villains and coachmen."45 "The synagogue is a curse, obstinate in her error, she refuses to see or hear, she has deliberately perverted her judgment; she has extinguished with herself the light of the Holy Spirit."46

    Chrysostom further said that the Jews had become a degenerate race because of their "odious assassination of Christ for which crime there is no expiation possible, no indulgence, no pardon, and for which they will always be a people without a nation, enduring a servitude without end."47
    He elaborated further on God's punishment of the Jews:
    "But it was men, says the Jew, who brought these misfortunes upon us, not God. On the contrary, it was in fact God who brought them about. If you attribute them to men, reflect again that even supposing men had dared, they could not have had the power to accomplish them, unless it had been God's will...Men would certainly not have made war unless God had permitted them...Is it not obvious that it was because God hated you and rejected you once for all?"48
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    Re: My Take on Luther and Hatred of the Jews

    Quote Originally Posted by wildboar
    Well, let's bring the unbelievers in to judge!! The unbelievers who despise any kind of absolute truth and are willing to find any slanderous thing they can find and charge it against God's elect. I'd rather be a Lutheran than an unbelieveran. If you are going to post something from Luther be honest enough to post it in context. Words taken out of context constitute lying.

    I am not surprised that, since the Pharisees and the Saducees gathered together after many years of dissention ONLY to crucify Jesus (by God's will), and the Jews sided with the slandering of the leaders of the Synagogue to crucify Jesus; since the Jews sided with the heathen to persecute the aposltes, some "christians" today call on unbelievers to judge Luther. (I am not defending Luther either... but I quote Paul: "Is there any wise among you?")

    I want to know where this new-found romantic love of the Jews comes from if not some form of "pre-trib" rapture. I wonder if Tim Lahaye, Hal Lindsey, Jack Van Wimpy are finding some new followers here...

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    Re: My Take on Luther and Hatred of the Jews

    "I don't hate anyone of anyone religion, but the word "jew" is a major word in the bible and designates those that still look back to Moses and one really can't be called a "jew" and believe in Jesus."

    Excuse me? I just posted that I am part Jewish, adopted and raised by Gentiles. I am telling you that your view is wrong, that Jews can believe, do believe, and the Gentiles are possibly even now cut off. I certainly hope that this transition has not fully taken place, but the words of Paul are indeed sobering. You Gentiles do not support the root but rather the root supports you! Or has that time passed? From what I am hearing here I am concerned.

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    Re: My Take on Luther and Hatred of the Jews

    Grace Ambassador check out http://www.newcovenanttheology.com/israel.html and you will see that I am no dispensationalist. You can also check out http://www.newcovenanttheology.com/dispensation.html and you will see that I hate dispensationalism.

    But any hint of defense of Luther is just beyond reason. Those of you who have have revealed what you really believe here today. That is for certain.
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    Re: My Take on Luther and Hatred of the Jews

    Quote Originally Posted by bgamall
    "I don't hate anyone of anyone religion, but the word "jew" is a major word in the bible and designates those that still look back to Moses and one really can't be called a "jew" and believe in Jesus."

    Excuse me? I just posted that I am part Jewish, adopted and raised by Gentiles. I am telling you that your view is wrong, that Jews can believe, do believe, and the Gentiles are possibly even now cut off. I certainly hope that this transition has not fully taken place, but the words of Paul are indeed sobering. You Gentiles do not support the root but rather the root supports you! Or has that time passed? From what I am hearing here I am concerned.
    How do you know you are of the house of Judah? There is NO JEW OR GENTILE in Christ.
    For example, I believe I am of the tribe of Dan, does that make me part "jewish" or just a plain part "Israelite"? God distinguished between BOTH NATIONS in the Bible after the split from Solomon, correct? The jews/Judah held the sceptre of Israel and controlled the Temple. The house of Israel was divoreced and scattered all over the world and mingled with gentiles.

    Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah; 33 "But this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
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    And it never ends:

    CARACAS, Venezuela - Venezuela's vice president accused religious broadcaster Pat Robertson on Tuesday of making "terrorist statements" by suggesting that American agents assassinate President Hugo Chavez.

    Vice President Jose Vicente Rangel said Venezuela was studying its legal options, adding that how Washington responds to Robertson's comments would put its anti-terrorism policy to the test.
    "The ball is in the U.S. court, after this criminal statement by a citizen of that country," Rangel told reporters. "It's huge hypocrisy to maintain this discourse against terrorism and at the same time, in the heart of that country, there are entirely terrorist statements like those."
    The State Department distanced itself from Robertson's comments.
    "We do not share his view, and his comments are inappropriate," spokesman Sean McCormack said.

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    Re: My Take on Luther and Hatred of the Jews

    Quote Originally Posted by bgamall

    But any hint of defense of Luther is just beyond reason. Those of you who have have revealed what you really believe here today. That is for certain.
    Defending Luther for what Gary? WHat would you have us do? Trample his grave? Use his portrait as a dart board? Write verbose, lengthy letters to his family?

    I honestly do nto know what you are looking for.

    But as I have shown, you must add the golden mouthed Chrysostom in the pyre, gregory, and many many more
    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
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    Re: My Take on Luther and Hatred of the Jews

    Quote Originally Posted by bgamal
    Excuse me? I just posted that I am part Jewish, adopted and raised by Gentiles. I am telling you that your view is wrong, that Jews can believe, do believe, and the Gentiles are possibly even now cut off. I certainly hope that this transition has not fully taken place, but the words of Paul are indeed sobering. You Gentiles do not support the root but rather the root supports you! Or has that time passed? From what I am hearing here I am concerned.
    Gary, I've listened to your rant long enough. The gospel isn't about Jews and Gentiles, that wall of separation was broken down on the cross. Besides what person claiming they are "ethnic" Jews today can prove it? And does it really matter? The root is NOT ethnic Israel, it is CHRIST!

    I don't see how this thread is edifying to anyone. If the moderators agree it may be time to close it.
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    Re: My Take on Luther and Hatred of the Jews

    I FULLY AGREE! Let me do the honors!

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    Re: My Take on Luther and Hatred of the Jews

    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias Crisp

    I don't see how this thread is edifying to anyone. If the moderators agree it may be time to close it.
    IT is edifying for anyone who wants to condemn Luther. The fruit from that could not fill a thimble
    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
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