reproduction in new heaven and earth

[beloved57]

I have a question about the feasibility of the redeemed having children in the new creation ! This may seem odd, but I base my inquiry on God`s creative purpose from the beginning.

Gen 1:27, 28 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Gen 9 : 1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.


mal 2 :15 a And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and

i welcome all your comments , also you may have a thread already on this subject...

[ray kikkert]

I have a question about the feasibility of the redeemed having children in the new creation ! This may seem odd, but I base my inquiry on God`s creative purpose from the beginning.

Gen 1:27, 28 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Gen 9 : 1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.


mal 2 :15 a And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and

i welcome all your comments , also you may have a thread already on this subject...

I think the closest thing that comes to any type of answer here is the trickery questions of the Pharisees towards Christ in Matthew 22:23-31. After the resurrection we shall be as the angels of God in heaven Christs says.

Other than this I know of no text that would speak to this question.

[beloved57]

yeah me neither, but in light of there going to be a number no man can number in heaven, and the seemingly few that are being saved throughout history, God may realize His purpose in glory with the elect reproducing. I understand there will be no marriages in heaven ( as we know them today) but in the beginnigs it appears that copulation was between male and female siblings in order to repopuate the earth.... of course the sin factor will be no more in glory...

[lionovjudah]

yeah me neither, but in light of there going to be a number no man can number in heaven, and the seemingly few that are being saved throughout history,

According to whom? The Lord will gather His elect from all the ends of the earth. And these will be an amount no man can number.

[ray kikkert]

According to whom? The Lord will gather His elect from all the ends of the earth. And these will be an amount no man can number.

I agree Joe. This is in line with God's Word.

Anything else is mere speculation on our part as to what the new heavens and earth will be like. Our minds cannot fathom something of which the likes have not been seen nor imagined.

Come Lord Jesus, come quickly

[beloved57]

Well how do you interpret verses like matt 7:14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

matt 22:14 For many are called, but few [are] chosen


1 pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

in fact jesus says the world conditions shall be similar to the days of noel right before his coming, practically, all were in apostacy ! also as in the day of Lot....

i`m not being dogmatic, but judging from these verses, there is credence in only a few will be saved ! and yes i`m aware of the verse in revelation that speaks about a number that no man can number

[Mickey]

It may be the Lord's plan to continue this age for thousands of years to come, with very few elect in each generation. He certainly has done this in the past. Who knows?

[beloved57]

It may be the Lord's plan to continue this age for thousands of years to come, with very few elect in each generation. He certainly has done this in the past. Who knows?

All things are possible with God...

[Whammer]

It may be the Lord's plan to continue this age for thousands of years to come, with very few elect in each generation. He certainly has done this in the past. Who knows?

I have to say Michael, I am of this mind, it seems to be our Lord's way in growing His people into becoming "His own possession" 1 Pet. 2:9

always just a remnant in every century, I have never been so aware of just how full this world is of those who hate Jesus, and how united we are to His suffering than I am as of late......
which has made finding you brethren on the internet here such an oasis for me personally.........

[beloved57]

Where I live in Atlanta, my wife and I do not know anyone who believes the true gospel ! I`ve lived here for almost 25 years. I hope however that God has some elect here who will someday come to the knowledge of the truth...

[Whammer]

Where I live in Atlanta, my wife and I do not know anyone who believes the true gospel ! I`ve lived here for almost 25 years. I hope however that God has some elect here who will someday come to the knowledge of the truth...

Maybe we could be encouraged by the Holy Spirit's words here in Acts 18:9-11...............it sure would be nice to find a genuine "hyper" here close to my current residence

[beloved57]

Maybe we could be encouraged by the Holy Spirit's words here in Acts 18:9-11...............it sure would be nice to find a genuine "hyper" here close to my current residence

That would be a blessing if that were the case !

[lionovjudah]

Where I live in Atlanta, my wife and I do not know anyone who believes the true gospel ! I`ve lived here for almost 25 years. I hope however that God has some elect here who will someday come to the knowledge of the truth...

I would not even know how to comment on this Darryl. Your criteria for the true Gospel is not what determines salvation I am afraid. Statements like this are only correct if salvation was dependant upon man, and not God. Without digressing into what one must believe, be rest assured that it WILL be an amount no man can number.

[beloved57]

I would not even know how to comment on this Darryl. Your criteria for the true Gospel is not what determines salvation I am afraid. Statements like this are only correct if salvation was dependant upon man, and not God. Without digressing into what one must believe, be rest assured that it WILL be an amount no man can number.

I`m afraid what one believes about christ and what he has accomplished is a criteria for me to fellowship with them, now they may be Gods elect and not yet manifest the faith of Gods elect, but when that faith is manifested, then I fellowship with them...Before the apostle Paul was converted, the other believers would not have had a basis to fellowship with him ! Please keep in mind, I`m not saying thats how they get saved, Thats all of Christ, but we must have a basis for fellowship...

[MCoving]

Where I live in Atlanta, my wife and I do not know anyone who believes the true gospel ! I`ve lived here for almost 25 years. I hope however that God has some elect here who will someday come to the knowledge of the truth...

That may be but to me it isn't that big of deal with what doctrine people believe as long as you are as sure as one can be that they are saved, and Christians. Because then they are our brothers and sisters in Christ, they are family and should be loved like family. Differences in doctrine is just that, yeah maybe they are a little clouded by churches these days, and teachings that aren't sound but they are in Christ, and still would have value in fellowshipping with. Even Christians who I don't like, Christians who are quick to judge, I still fellowship with them, still are invovled in small groups with them. God loves them just as much as He loves me, well as long as they are saved and part of God's elect. Make sense? I am sorry you don't feel anyone shares your understanding of Scripture though. Least you have this community!

Mary

[melted]

That may be but to me it isn't that big of deal with what doctrine people believe as long as you are as sure as one can be that they are saved, and Christians.

Hi Mary,

Doctrine is exactly how we are to tell who is our "brother" or "sister" and who is not. Please notice Paul's harsh words for those who bring another gospel, as well as John's very important words concerning who we enjoy Christian fellowship with:

Gal 1:8-9 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! (9) As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

2Jo 1:9-11 Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. (10) If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting; (11) for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds.


-Kyle

[MCoving]

Yes I know doctrine is important, and there is false doctrine which helps us understand if one's a Christian or not. But what I'm saying is many people dont believe the doctrine talked about in this community, I know some who don't fully believe in Calvinism. So does that mean they are not a Christian? No not by any means. There's different beliefs here on your community just by looking at the profiles. Doctrine doesn't determine if one is saved, it's God who does. So who is me to judge which doctrine show's if one is saved or not? I wouldn't by any means go so far as to say my beliefs are the only way and if you dont believe what I think Scripture is saying than your not a Christian. And to be honest I dont know for sure that my beliefs are correct, so many people claim their way is correct that they know Scripture backs them up and then they give verses. Im sure Scripture backs up the beliefs here personally but I'm also human and know that I could just as easily be decieved as others. So I wouldn't go so far as saying that one doctrine is correct over another and thus if you dont follow that doctrine your not a true believer.

I may have gotten off subject or read your email incorrectly if so accept my apology.

[ray kikkert]

Yes I know doctrine is important, and there is false doctrine which helps us understand if one's a Christian or not.
I may have gotten off subject or read your email incorrectly if so accept my apology.

You have to read my buddies(the nerd) lastest installment

http://www.predestinarian.net/showthread.php?t=3102

[lionovjudah]

I`m afraid what one believes about christ and what he has accomplished is a criteria for me to fellowship with them, now they may be Gods elect and not yet manifest the faith of Gods elect, but when that faith is manifested, then I fellowship with them...Before the apostle Paul was converted, the other believers would not have had a basis to fellowship with him ! Please keep in mind, I`m not saying thats how they get saved, Thats all of Christ, but we must have a basis for fellowship...

Just do not create your own shibboleth Darryl. Paul shook hands with peter and james, who at the time were still zealous for the law. When one begins to monopolize God's grace, or in fact heaven, they may find themselves on a slippery slope.

Anyway, I can see this tumbling into a "dcotrinal Salvation" thread very very fast.

[Brandan Kraft]

Yes I know doctrine is important, and there is false doctrine which helps us understand if one's a Christian or not. But what I'm saying is many people dont believe the doctrine talked about in this community, I know some who don't fully believe in Calvinism. So does that mean they are not a Christian? No not by any means.

Well, that all depends. If someone fights against the plain and simple teaching of Sovereign Grace, this evidences to me that they don't think like me. It's one thing to not be able to fully articulate one's views concerning Salvation. It's another thing to openly attack the truth. I believe God has His elect scattered all over and many of them have not come to know the full corn Gospel of justification in Christ alone. Many of them are still holding to the false idea salvation is conditioned upon something else, such as the faith of the individual. In time though, they will come to embrace what is known as the five points of calvinism, and even more. When that time comes, then I can embrace them as brothers and rejoice in the truth with them together. Until that time, though, those that would reject the truth of God I will wait patiently for God to reveal His elect from amongst them.

There's different beliefs here on your community just by looking at the profiles. Doctrine doesn't determine if one is saved, it's God who does. So who is me to judge which doctrine show's if one is saved or not?

Nobody active on this forum would not advocate such a position. I cannot look at anyone's doctrine and determine if God died for them or not. God has been pleased to have His elect waller in a good number of false doctrines before converting them to the truth. But for our sakes we do not seek fellowship with those who do not believe like us. The only form of unity is doctrinal unity, and if others don't agree with us, then what unity can there be? I'm not saying that others have to agree with us point for point, but there should be a clear understanding and agreement on exactly what salvation is.

I wouldn't by any means go so far as to say my beliefs are the only way and if you dont believe what I think Scripture is saying than your not a Christian. And to be honest I dont know for sure that my beliefs are correct, so many people claim their way is correct that they know Scripture backs them up and then they give verses. Im sure Scripture backs up the beliefs here personally but I'm also human and know that I could just as easily be decieved as others. So I wouldn't go so far as saying that one doctrine is correct over another and thus if you dont follow that doctrine your not a true believer.

We believe what we believe because we think it is true. That goes for me and you. If we say we believe something we don't think is true, then we're liars. I think it's nice to meet with others who think like me, who see what I see. It's impossible for me to have any "fellowship" with those who don't see things like I do. What kind of "fellowship" would that be? It would be a lie. And I don't care to be involved in such.

Tell me Mary, if you would not mind, what do you think unites yourself with those who disagree with the five points of calvinism and believe that salvation is conditioned upon the faith of the individual?