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    Church fathers on beards

    I have a book by Bercot called A Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs which is quite interesting. It has over 700 topics and under each topic it lists relevant quotations from the pre-Nicene church fathers arranged in more or less chronological order. There are a handful of things which I came across that they all seem to be in agreement on: images of Christ should not be made, images should not be used in worship, temples should not be built for worship, incense should not be burnt during worship, musical instruments should not be used during worship, and beards should not be shaved. They seem to base it on the passage in Leviticus which says not to harm the edges of the beard. I was going to type them out but found a site which has already done so, so I will cut and paste. By each quote is also a handy dandy reference to wear it can be read in the set by Schaff (my favorite is the first).

    “How womanly it is for one who is a man to comb himself and shave himself with a razor, for the sake of fine effect, and to arrange his hair at the mirror, shave his cheeks, pluck hairs out of them, and smooth them! . . . . For God wished women to be smooth and to rejoice in their locks alone growing spontaneously, as a horse in his mane. But He has adorned man, like the lions, with a beard, and endowed him as an attribute of manhood, with a hairy chest, a sign of strength and rule.” - Clement of Alexandria (vol. 2, p. 275)

    “This, then, is the mark of the man, the beard. By this, he is seen to be a man. It is older than Eve. It is the token of the superior nature. . . . It is therefore unholy to descrate the symbol of manhood, hairiness.” - Clement of Alexandria (vol. 2, p. 276)

    “The nature of the beard contributes in an incredible degree to distinguish the maturity of bodies, or to distinguish the sex, or to contribute to the beauty of manliness and strength.” - Lactantius (vol. 7, p. 288)

    “This sex of ours acknowledges to itself deceptive trickeries of form peculiarly its own–such as to cut the beard too sharply, to pluck it out here and there, to shave around the mouth.” - Tertullian (vol. 4, p. 22)

    “Let the chin have the hair. . . . For an ample beard suffices it for men. . . . The hair on the chin is not to be disturbed.” - Clement of Alexandria (vol. 2, p. 286)

    I have a beard and moustache but my twice a week trimming would probably anger some of the church fathers. I also have my hair fairly short and generally trim it well before it gets in my eyes. I certainly don't favor any legalistic approach to teaching that men must grow beards, but on the other hand I think it is a good idea. In our sexually androgynous age it may be wise for men not to conceal one of the signs of masculinity that God has given to them. A friend of mine is in a denomination which teaches that women should wear long dresses (which isn't such a bad idea for the same reasons mentioned above but shouldn't be a point of emphasis) but generally expects the men to be clean shaven. He pointed out the inconsistency in this position and I agree. Of course BJU makes it a rule.
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    Re: Church fathers on beards

    Hahahahah Chuck,

    Talk about sexual stereo types.

    Some men believe it is manly to ride a big hog, wear a leather jacket, smoke a pipe, have a tatoo, cuss occassionally, and spit. One either has a healthy growth, or one has a scraggy apache beard, or a very fine crop of hair on one's face, but that does not define manliness. Baldness and even shaved heads and faces is meant to be more manly. A man who is a man because of his physical appearance, has not yet discovered the meaning of what it is to be a man, or a woman for that matter.

    The real adornment is not locks and beards or jewellery, but something else.

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    Re: Church fathers on beards

    Amen Eric! Personally I stick with a "5 o'clock" shadow (not that it appears by 5 considering I'm young, but still) à la Miami Vice, and Star Trek sideburns. Currently saving out my hair like this, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rettinblue.jpg As a sign of masculinity, Chuck, I prefer muscles; since they have no actual function I take it that we men are given the opportunity to develop them for esthetic reasons. Quite some philosophy eh?

    While I don't object to androgynous appearance by men (although skirts and gowns might be going too far, and it doesn't look good either), I'm quite opposed to it in women. I prefer them to wear "pop gowns"
    For innumerable evils have compassed me about: mine iniquities have taken hold upon me, so that I am not able to look up; they are more than the hairs of mine head: therefore my heart faileth me. (Ps. 40:12)

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    Re: Church fathers on beards

    Jack you are cracking me up, again! God is not a trouser tyrant! My anscestors are some Yorkshire Vikings, British Isles folks, French and Italian. Though it is true I should be seeking a homeland not made with hands, I long to make the trip to Scotland the home of kilts, long beards, lassies, and the manly art of tossing the cabar, and ofcourse sailing and fishing. (Sea sickness blew my maiden voyage, but I am determined to try out my theory of waking myself up, everytime I feel sleepy to avoid the nausea) I am a registered beardy, and wear a Scottish beanie...all I need is a kilt!

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    Re: Church fathers on beards

    Dear Chuck,

    I registered with the National Beard Registry on the 7 March 2006. I confess I had wanted to join many times but one crazy day I just did it. Check out some of the beards worn down through the ages.

    LINK

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    Re: Church fathers on beards

    Beards... schmeards.... I don't really care and don't see how this is a relevant topic of conversation... closing thread..
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