Nephilim: You Sexy Devils!

[VwV]

Debatable Interpretations of the "Sons of God" in
Genesis 6.

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1. In the Book of Job the phrase is used for angelic or non-human beings. These sons of God presented themselves before God in what might be called a heavenly assembly. Satan appeared with them, although this does not necessarily mean he was one of the "sons of God." Thus the stage was set for the telling of the story of Job.
2. The phrase, sons of God, appears in the New Testament as a name for people who are in a covenant relationship with God. This exact phrase never appears with this meaning in the Old Testament, although the idea is implied. For example, God referred to the scattered children of Israel, whom He promised to gather together again, as His sons and daughters.
3. The third usage of the phrase occurs in Gen 6:1-4. Certain "sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose" (v. 2). The offspring of these unions are described as "giants," "mighty men," and "men of renown" (v. 4). The question centers on the identity of these "sons of God" mentioned in this passage. There are two basic possibilities. The phrase could refer to non-human beings such as those mentioned in Job. Or, the phrase may be an unusual way of referring to human beings.
The context of the verse gives important clues that the "sons of God" in this case are not angelic beings. One clue is found in the total biblical context. Nowhere else in the Bible is there even a hint that non-human and human beings can mate. There are many parallels in pagan thought, but none in biblical thought. A second clue occurs right in the passage itself. In the New Testament, Jesus stated that angels do not marry (Matt 22:30). Thus, sons of God in this passage must refer to human beings.

(Slightly Condensed, Slightly Modified - from Nelson's Illustrated Bible Dictionary, Copyright (c)1986)
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First, a group within orthodox Judaism theorized that "sons of God" meant "nobles" or "magnates." Hardly anyone today accepts this view. It can not be found within the text that is presented (Genesis 6), and since then, the overwhelming majority of Judaism discards this theory as heresy, or at the very least, "bad hebrew."
Second, some interpret the "sons of God" as fallen angels. These were enticed by the women of Earth and began lusting after them. Many reputable Bible commentators have rejected this theory on psycho-physiological grounds. How can one believe, they ask, that angels from Heaven could engage in sexual relations with women from Earth? Philastrius labeled such an interpretation a down-right heresy. Many still view such a thought as dramatic heresy, and will not condone even thinking about such matters.
Third, many famed scholars contend that the "sons of God" are the male descendants of Seth, and that the "daughters of men" are the female descendants of Cain. According to this view, what actually happened in Genesis 6 was an early example of
believers marrying unbelievers. This view can be supported from other parts in the Holy Bible, where it speaks of being "unequally yoked with nonbelievers." The good sons of Seth married the bad daughters of Cain, and the result of these mixed marriages was a
mongrel offspring. These later became known for their decadence and corruption; indeed, it reached such a degree that God was forced to intervene and destroy the human race. This comment of Matthew Henry could be taken as representative of those holding this view: "The sons of Seth (that is the professors of religion) married the daughters of men, that is, those that were profane, and strangers to God and godliness. The posterity of Seth did not keep by themselves, as they ought to have done. They inter-mingled themselves with the excommunicated race of Cain." This has become the popular view to uphold, but as we will see, the Bible does not uphold this view.

(Slightly Altered, Commentary Added - from http://www.brotherblue.org )
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Which one do you guys think is the right one? Which one is the most accurate? Thoughts, comments?

[Andrew]

VwV,
Interesting but controversial topic! Anyway, this is what me and my church believes....


Gen 6
1 When men began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born to them,
2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were fair; and they took to wife such of them as they chose.
3 Then the LORD said, "My spirit shall not abide in man for ever, for he is flesh, but his days shall be a hundred and twenty years."
4 The Nephilim [giants KJV] were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.

The phrase "sons of God" appear three more times in the OT (Job 1:6, Job 2:1, Job 38:7). In the OT, the "sons of God" always refer to angels, direct creations of God (let the Bible interpret the Bible). In Noah's case, it is fallen angels who disobeyed God and took on a physical form to breed with women. Is that possible? Did that happen? Yes.

Jude 1:6
And the angels that did not keep their own position but left their proper dwelling have been kept by him in eternal chains in the nether gloom until the judgment of the great day;

1 Pet 3:19,20
By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the [/b]days of Noah[/b], while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Heb 13:2
Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

2 Pet 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;


After the flood

"The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward".

So, where in the OT (after the flood) are these Nephalim and Rephaim giants mentioned again?

Answer - Goliath (1 Sa 17:4) and all the "-ite" and "-im" tribes. (Deu 2:10,21, Deu 3:11, Deu 9:2, Num 13:33)

Examples of giants (1 cubit being about 0.5 m):

1 Sa 17:4
And there went out a champion out of the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath, of Gath, whose height was six cubits [3 m] and a span.

Deu 3:11
(For only Og the king of Bashan was left of the remnant of the Rephaim [giants KJV]; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbah of the Ammonites? Nine cubits [4.5 m] was its length, and four cubits [2 m] its breadth, according to the common cubit.)

Num 13:32,33
So they brought to the people of Israel an evil report of the land which they had spied out, saying, "The land, through which we have gone, to spy it out, is a land that devours its inhabitants; and all the people that we saw in it are men of great stature. And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim); and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them."

Goliath was about 3 m tall. King Og's bed was about 4.5 m long and 2 m wide. This should make him at least 3 m tall. No wonder the the Jews felt like "grasshoppers" compared to them.

Gen 6:9
...Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation; Noah walked with God.

"blameless" here is "tamiyn" (Greek) - physically perfect/without blemish/100 per cent human. It does not mean morally perfect.


Putting it all together

1. Fallen angels had contaminated the human race by mating with human females who produced the giant Nephalim and Rephaim race. Why? Because Satan knew that the Saviour would come from a woman, and that He had to be fully man, not half man, half angelic. We see something similar to this happening again today - human cloning.

2. God did us a favour by wiping out a contaminated human race. He wasn't being cruel when he sent the flood. And he saved Noah partly because he found only Noah "without blemish" ("tamiyn") - fully human.

3. Later, after the flood, these giants surfaced again. Looks like some fallen angels did it again. That's why we read about God telling David to wipe out villages, not sparing women and children. This time, instead of a flood, God raised up Israelis like David to wipe them out. Again, God was not being cruel to human, but doing them a favour.

4. What happened to those "sons of God" who did those terrible things?
God has bounded them in chains and locked them up in a special place in hell called "tartarus".


What happened to the fallen sons of God?

Jude 1:6
And the angels that did not keep their own position but left their proper dwelling have been kept by him in eternal chains in the nether gloom [under darkness KJV] until the judgment of the great day;

1 Pet 3:19,20
By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

2 Pet 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell [Greek "tartaros" - the deepest abyss of hell), and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

What did Jesus do in 1 Pet 3:19? He was not preaching salvation to men who had died without Christ - as if He was giving the dead a second chance. No, he was essentially proclaiming to the fallen angels who were bound there in darkness: "You tried to stop the Son of Man from coming by contaminating the human race. But you have failed and I have triumphed!"

These sons of God are still there, awaiting their day of judgement.

[Brandan Kraft]

I've heard people tell me the Nephilim were little green men from outer space.... go figure!

[Fledge]

So, if fallen angels, demons, whatever mated with humans. That means that they have the power to create. For they are spirit, and not of flesh. So they created flesh. They created a body of flesh because they were spirit and need flesh to procreate in that way. And since they have the power to create flesh out of nothing...hmmm...does that make them equal in power with God?

Or, did they possess human bodies and pass on their "seed" that way? If they possessed human bodies, then in the act of intercourse, it would be the physical sperm of the human body they possessed entering the woman (assuming the possessed a male body). In which case, all they are doing is creating another typically human body from two typical humans mating.

[Andrew]

Fledge,
u ask the "hows" and the "details" becos it seems illogical to the human mind. The Bible doesn't give the details. in other words " I dont know".

we might as well ask just how exactly God created the universe (6 days, six million years?), how the virgin birth was possible (did the Holy Spirit become a sperm? 1 sperm, 2 sperms or millions of them), how Paul's handkerchief could heal the sick (what brand was it? silk? cotton?), etc etc etc *LOL* sorry cldnt resist.

Anyway, my intention is not to debate on this. I'm simply giving VwV my opinions and thoughts on this (as preached by my Pastor and as confirmed in my spirit) since VwV asked us kindly for them.

Perhaps you cld give VwV your interpretation as well. Maybe yours will seem more palatable or true to her.

ps: but just to answer your questions, i dont see why a spirit cannot take on a physical form (Heb 13:2). we are after all spirit as well as flesh. also, i dont see how a fallen angel mating with a human and resulting in an offspring automatically qualifies it as a creator equal to God. if my wife and i have a baby does that make me a creator equal to God?

[VwV]

So, if fallen angels, demons, whatever mated with humans. That means that they have the power to create. For they are spirit, and not of flesh. So they created flesh. They created a body of flesh because they were spirit and need flesh to procreate in that way. And since they have the power to create flesh out of nothing...hmmm...does that make them equal in power with God?

You miss the general concept here. Angels are created being of the Father, and nothing that is created of the Father can be as strong or as powerful as that which is created. For instance, "Lucifer" can not be as strong as God, becuase God created "Lucifer" (note the quotes). Nothing created by God can be as powerful as God. So we can rest assured that the Mormons and Jehova Witnesses are wrong. We are the children of God, and we will not be given the powers of the diety, and the powers of the deity have not been given to angels either.

However, God did give the power to angels to be able to make themselves look like humans. This does not mean angels are as powerful as God, it simply means that God gave them the ability to help humans by looking like humans. It is also true that God had to give angels free will, otherwise our entire concept of Genesis 6 (ie - angels) will fail. Not to mention, the main interpretation of Isaiah 14 might also fail. For Lucifer to fall from heaven (Rev 22, also) he had to have free will, obviously.

So we can conclude two things right off the bat. Angels have a free will, and God gave them the power to look like humans, and since they have a free will they can choose to use that function however they desire.

Or, did they possess human bodies and pass on their "seed" that way? If they possessed human bodies, then in the act of intercourse, it would be the physical sperm of the human body they possessed entering the woman (assuming the possessed a male body). In which case, all they are doing is creating another typically human body from two typical humans mating.

Many people have suggested this one, because they can't fully comprehend that angels would come to earth looking like humans to simply have sex with women (possibly virgins). The human mind rebells against such logic, so we have to settle for something that is nonscriptural. They possessed man.

You actually pointed out why this interpretation must be false. If they had simply possessed humans then there wouldn't have been a super race spawned from their loins. They, themselves, had to act in the sexual intercourse for them to spawn a mongrel race of giants.

Perhaps you cld give VwV your interpretation as well. Maybe yours will seem more palatable or true to her.

HIM! Arg! I was hoping I could actually debate this with someone. I have been trying to convince people of the angel interpretation, but I have yet to find a good opponent. Someone, who will actually bring up some good points. So Fledge, I would nail you with a metal gauntlet if I could see you, in order to challenge you to the test.

[Andrew]

So VwV,

r u saying here that you also, like me, believe that the "sons of God" in Genesis 6 are
fallen angels who took on some kind of physical form to mate with female humans and produce a race of giants/Nephalim? whom God then wiped out in the flood to preserve the pure human seed found in Noah.

If so, Praise God i've found someone outside of my church and country who agrees!

if not

anyway

[Odyssey]

One interpretation that I have heard is that 'sons of god' refer to covnenant peoples. In other words, the covnenant peoples mated with non-covnenant peoples. Since the flood was only a local flood, the 'offspring' were still around.

Just something I have heard.

Grace to you,

jak

[Jep]

Hi Andrew:“r u saying here that you also, like me, believe that the "sons of God" in Genesis 6 are
fallen angels who took on some kind of physical form to mate with female humans and produce a race of giants/Nephalim? whom God then wiped out in the flood to preserve the pure human seed found in Noah.

If so, Praise God i've found someone outside of my church and country who agrees!”

ME: LOL....You can look no further than this thread to find people who agree with you. The Nehphilim exist throughout the Bible and are also found in writings outside the Bible. Here is some research I’ve done in this area:

A. If I recall accurately, it was in the early seventies when the Bible translation called The Living Bible came onto the Christian scene and with it a verse that quite fascinated me when read in American English. That verse is found in Genesis 6:1-2: “Now a population explosion took place upon the earth. It was at this time that beings from the spirit world looked upon the beautiful earth women and took any they desired to be their wives.”
1. Genesis (Gen. 6:3-6) further tells us that as a result of breeding between spirits and human women a race of giants called the Nephilim was created: ‘“.....The Nephilim were on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown. The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time. The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain.”
2. Jude 6-7 also adds clarity to this subject: “And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”
3. Ray C. Stedman writes in Expository Studies in Genesis: “Evil spirits, fallen angels, possessed the bodies of men, and these demon-possessed men married women and produced a race of strange beings called here in Genesis 6, ‘the Nephilim.’ They were a race of giants. The word Nephilim is confirming of this whole idea, because it means “the fallen ones.’”

B. The above verses should clear up an ill-conceived notion, long held by Christians, assuming angels are asexual beings. Jude plainly states that fallen angels left their habitation giving themselves over to fornication and going after strange flesh. The fact that angels do not have sexual relations is not due to their inability to do so, but simply because they are all male and because they are eternal beings and need no offspring to propagate their species. In I. Corinthians 11:10, Paul commands women to keep their hair covered for two reasons: 1. To be a sign of submission to their husbands. 2. “because of the angels.”
1. There is an old rabbinic tradition which states that these spirits were drawn to women because they found long, flowing hair extremely attractive.

C. Nephilim is also sometimes translated giants. When this word is used again in Numbers 13:33, little doubt is left the reader as to its meaning. When Joshua’s spies reported back from the land of Canaan, they told a remarkable story: (Numbers 13:31-33) “But the men who had gone up with him said, ‘We can't attack those people; they are stronger than we are.’ And they spread among the Israelites a bad report about the land they had explored. They said, ‘The land we explored devours those living in it. All the people we saw there are of great size. We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.’”
1. In Isaiah 26:14, we are told that the spirits of these beings are different than the spirit of man and, once they are dead, they are just that; they will not rise again. “They are now dead, they live no more; those departed spirits do not rise. You punished them and brought them to ruin; you wiped out all memory of them.”
2. The Jewish historian Josephus writes of the offspring of these unions in his Antiquities of the Jews, “For the tradition is that these men did what resembled the acts of those men the Grecians called giants.” He goes on to state that Noah remonstrated with this offspring for their villainy.

D. Through the sexual actions of these spirits, the gene pool of the human race became polluted, and man was no longer the creation that God had intended. This race had to begin again, and through Noah and the flood, it did begin again.
1. The Bible tells us in Genesis 6:9 (KJV) that Noah was “perfect in his generation.” But does this scripture speak of Noah the man or Noah the gene pool? When we read of some of the despicable actions of Noah in Genesis 9:20-23, we must conclude that this perfection is of genetic attribute.
2. Satan had attacked the Creator through a pollution of His creation. If Satan had succeeded in total pollution of the human race, a perfect Christ could never emerge from it.

3.The story of Lamech (Noah’s father) in the Genesis Apocryphon is an interesting one to our subject. Lemech had been away from home and could not have possibly sired Noah. Noah’s mother begs and pleads with Lamech, swearing that she had not been unfaithful to him and that she had not had relations with another man or even “watchers or heavenly beings.” Lamech surely thought that a spirit being could be Noah’s father. If so, the child was of the Nephilim.
4. Lamech speaks of the strange events surrounding the birth of Noah: “I have begotten a strange son ... His nature is different and he is not like us, and his eyes are as the rays of the sun, and his countenance is glorious. And it seems to me that he is not sprung from me but from the angels.....”

E. The book of Enoch tells of a strange event when Enoch was taken to the “fifth heaven” where he saw “fallen angels”--giants with withered faces who broke their vows, married the daughters of men, and “befouled the earth with their deeds.”
1. The book of Enoch also tells of an event where two hundred of these “watchers” or angels descended to earth in the days of Jarad (Gen. 5:18). These watchers instructed the people of earth in many areas of science including astrology, the fashioning of swords and other weaponry, the manufacture of cosmetics, and a medical herbal. In The Riddle of Prehistoric Britain, Comyns Beaumont deduces that these watchers also taught earth men the theories of explosives and ammunition.
2. According to Enoch, things became so corrupt on earth that the archangels Michael, Uriel, and Gabriel sought a conference with the Most High God to discuss the matter. They told God, “The whole earth has been filled with blood and unrightousness. And now, behold, the souls of those who have died are crying and making their suit to the gates of heaven, and their lamentations have ascended; and cannot cease because of the lawless deeds which are wrought upon the earth.”

[VwV]

*** Andrew ***

r u saying here that you also, like me, believe that the "sons of God" in Genesis 6 are fallen angels who took on some kind of physical form to mate with female humans and produce a race of giants/Nephalim?

Yes, I am saying that exactly. I believe that fully, and am hoping that someone in this forum disagress and will argue it with me... and I hope they will bring up some good points. But, alas, they will be wrong.


*** Odyssey ***

In other words, the covnenant peoples mated with non-covnenant peoples. Since the flood was only a local flood, the 'offspring' were still around.

Well... That might work, but... The flood wasn't local. The flood was a global, world wide flood that killed everyone person and animal on earth except for those found in the ark, that is to say, eight persons, and two of every kind, with seven kinds of the clean animals. The flood was not local, it was definitely global within the context of the text, and also within the context and signs of the earth which is what we see today.


***Jep***

A. If I recall accurately, it was in the early seventies when the Bible translation called The Living Bible came onto the Christian scene and with it a verse that quite fascinated me when read in American English. That verse is found in Genesis 6:1-2: “Now a population explosion took place upon the earth. It was at this time that beings from the spirit world looked upon the beautiful earth women and took any they desired to be their wives.”

Your right about the translations... I don't know when it came out however... However, I suggest you check the footnote by that passage. If you read the footnote, they condemn the text that they say, claiming that the Sethinite view is the most accurate. I have looked at that Bible and only found errors with in other fields also. It discriminates, strongly, against the angelic view of Genesis 6.

1. There is an old rabbinic tradition which states that these spirits were drawn to women because they found long, flowing hair extremely attractive.

I have heard this multiplte times from people, yet no one can ever give me the source of the information. I don't suppose you can either. I know this is true, because this view is represented in the New Testament, I'm not going to get into where it is represented or how, because it says some stuff in there that no modern Christian follows, so usually I just let this side of it go. However, I am desperately looking for some early Rabbi texts which comment on this passage, I am not able to find them. However, I have concluded that the vast of early church fathers of Christianity, vastly believed in the angelic interpretation.

1. In Isaiah 26:14, we are told that the spirits of these beings are different than the spirit of man and, once they are dead, they are just that; they will not rise again. “They are now dead, they live no more; those departed spirits do not rise. You punished them and brought them to ruin; you wiped out all memory of them.”

If I am not mistaken, I believe this is refering to the Raphiam. Which seemed to have been a sect of Nephilim which might have appeared after the flood. I am not exactly sure how the Nephilim came back after the flood (if they did at all) consider that the Flood was a global flood destroying everyone except those on the ark.

1. The Bible tells us in Genesis 6:9 (KJV) that Noah was “perfect in his generation.” But does this scripture speak of Noah the man or Noah the gene pool? When we read of some of the despicable actions of Noah in Genesis 9:20-23, we must conclude that this perfection is of genetic attribute.

That is right, from what I have studied. The word used refers to not being physically blemished. It is often used to refer to the spotless lambs that the Jews sacrificed. Thus, Noah was not a righteous man persay. He was just the only generation which hadn't defiled himself with the lust of the angels and giants. We know Noah is not overly righteous, because the scriptures tell us of his drunken experience shortly after the flood.

3.The story of Lamech (Noah’s father) in the Genesis Apocryphon is an interesting one to our subject. Lemech had been away from home and could not have possibly sired Noah. Noah’s mother begs and pleads with Lamech, swearing that she had not been unfaithful to him and that she had not had relations with another man or even “watchers or heavenly beings.” Lamech surely thought that a spirit being could be Noah’s father. If so, the child was of the Nephilim.

Genesis Apocryphon
Fragment 1, Column 2

I thought, in my heart, that the conception was the work of the Watchers the pregnancy of the Holy Ones and that it belonged to the Giants... and my heart was upset by this... I, Lamech, turned to my wife Bitenosh and said... Swear to me by the Most High, Great Lord, King of the Universe...the sons of heavens, that you will truthfully tell me everything, if... You will tell me without lies... Then Bitenosh, my wife spoke harshly and she cried... and said: Oh my brother and lord! Remember my pleasure... the time of love, gasping for breath. I will tell you everything truthfully... and then my heart began to ache... When Bitenosh realized my mood had changed...Then she withheld her anger and said to me: O my lord and brother! Remember my pleasure. I swear to you by the Great Holy One, the King of the heavens... That this seed, pregnancy, and planting of fruit comes from you and not a stranger, Watcher, or son of the heaven... Why is your expression changed and your spirit saddened... I speak honestly to you... Then I, Lamech, went to my father, Methuselah, and told him everything so that he would know the truth because he is well liked... and he is in well with the Holy Ones and they share everything with him. Methuselah went to Enoch to find the truth... he will. And he went to Parvaim, where Enoch lived... He said to Enoch: O my father and lord, to whom I... I tell you! Do not be angry because I came here to you... fear before you...

1. The book of Enoch also tells of an event where two hundred of these “watchers” or angels descended to earth in the days of Jarad (Gen. 5:18). These watchers instructed the people of earth in many areas of science including astrology, the fashioning of swords and other weaponry, the manufacture of cosmetics, and a medical herbal. In The Riddle of Prehistoric Britain, Comyns Beaumont deduces that these watchers also taught earth men the theories of explosives and ammunition.

Book of Watchers (Book of Enoch, 1 Enoch)

Chapter 6
And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.' And Semjâzâ, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.' Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Samîazâz, their leader, Arâkîba, Râmêêl, Kôkabîêl, Tâmîêl, Râmîêl, Dânêl, Êzêqêêl, Barâqîjâl, Asâêl, Armârôs, Batârêl, Anânêl, Zaqîêl, Samsâpêêl, Satarêl, Tûrêl, Jômjâêl, Sariêl. These are their chiefs of tens.

Chapter 7
And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.


Now... does anyone want to argue that it is not the angelic interpretation?!

[Jep]

"Now... does anyone want to argue that it is not the angelic interpretation?!"

ME:...Er....No. And the purpose for your detailed post was....um....what?

[Andrew]

VwV and Jep,

Thanks for the added info. Found them interesting.

When my Pastor was preaching on this, he also said that Greek mythology mentions a lot of similar things. eg that giants (one-eye Cyclops etc) had a big battle with Zeus (God?) and lost and was cast into a place called "Tartarus", which is actually the same word used in 2 Pet 2:4 when it says "hell".

Of course, Greek mtythology is Greek mythology not the Bible truth, but his point was that myth is not always 100% rubbish - ie there are always some elements of truth. i see it as corrupted version of Bible truth. but they do provide some clues.

God bless

[Odyssey]

VwV

Well... That might work, but... The flood wasn't local. The flood was a global, world wide flood that killed everyone person and animal on earth except for those found in the ark, that is to say, eight persons, and two of every kind, with seven kinds of the clean animals. The flood was not local, it was definitely global within the context of the text, and also within the context and signs of the earth which is what we see today.

Not necessarily true. For one thing, from the context it can not be proven that it was a global flood. The literal Hebrew states that god would destroy the 'land and sky'. The only land and sky that Noah knew was his local area. Science also proves that there are some places on earth that have never seen water. Also, not all animals were destroyed. Those living in the water would have lived.

If we look at the NT teaching on this, we will see that Peter told us that the world that was destroyed was the 'world of the wicked,' not the planet. Furthermore, if we look at the context we will see that the planet was not destroyed but just covered with water. That the 'land' was still there as was the 'sky.' The water just 'receeded.' In other words, what was destroyed was the people, just like Peter wrote.

There are many commentaries that hold to this view. Check some of them out.

Grace to you,

jak

[VwV]

Greek Mythology, as well as Roman Mythology add considerable amounts to the knowledge of the Nephilim, specifically the Three Universal Wars in Greek Mythology.

Odyssey - It was a global flood. If you want me to go into the problems with the local flood I could go into it, but the Hebrew, even that which you pointed out, strongly suggest that the writers of the Torah wanted to represent a global flood. The flood story is not a local flood, and not simply a myth handed down from Gilgamesh, and it has nothing to do with the Black Sea, Caspien Sea, or Dead Sea.

[VwV]

JEP -
And the purpose for your detailed post was....um....what?

1) - I pointed out that the Living Bible condemns the angelic interpretation of Genesis 6.
2) - I asked if you knew the source of the rabbinic tradition of the "spirits" drawn to women because of their long hair.
3) - Pointed out that Noah's "perfection" was symbolic of spotless lambs, physical perfection, not spiritual.
4) - Posted the actual text of the Genesis Apocryphon (also called "The Tales of the Patriarchs") so people could read what it really says.
5) - Posted the actual text of 1 Enoch, so people could actually read what is says.

[The Whyman]

The transliteration of 'sons of God' in Genesis 6 is "B'nai Ha Elohim" and is only used 4 times in the Old Testament - always in regards to angels.

The Nephillim themselve, it is my conjecture, are the neanderthals due to their immense size and that their cranial capacity is 200cc larger than 'modern man' - an embarrassing stumbling block for evolutionists. (One among many at least.)

[VwV]

I disagree.