LOJ: Perverting the notion of no accountability but to Christ has allowed each and everyone to "think" they have the God ordained right to create their own rules and forget everything needed is in the 66 books.

In case anyone has any doubt where I stand on this: what Joe has been posting here is pure garbage condemned by Christ. He talks with spiritual sounding language like all churchmen but damns with his accusatory emphasis that eclipses anything else he posts.

The underlying issue here is NOT whether some or most of us worship in a sickly 'church.' It is clear that most of us do; myself regularly. The issue for these churchian folk is whether we also submit to the doctrines of devils that these churches teach. Believe me, it is not enough to believe the Trinity and the Deity of Christ for historic churchmen. It is not enough to worship in their assemblies as 3rd class citizens (which is all that those of us with our persuasion could possibly do). We have to submit to and confess their garbage teaching. Otherwise they don't believe we are real Christians.

I, of course, have real differences with the ecclesiology of Joe and Charles. I don't believe that congregations with potentially no true believers (Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, ELCA, and others) can be called an EKKLESIA in any sense. God calls what few believers that might exist in such congregations out of them--lest they partake of His wrath. In addition, the matter posted by Rachael has been totally minimized as if it were insignificant. For many of us, if we are talking about corporate worship--the issue is being able to fellowship in a congregation where we know that the EKKLESIA is present. A place that loves the true gospel and doesn't treat believers devoted to election as a part of that gospel as potential 'intellectual arrogants' to be shunned as schismatics.

So we have to at least agree that we will never agree on ECCLESIOLOGY. I'm closing this thread. Although I'm sure the topic will come up in the future, ECCLESIOLOGY is one doctrine that I will not be interacting with in the future with those who are interested in nothing but historic churchianity.