The external call of the gospel

[Craig kennedy]

If God has created the rules as well as the game, how can anything he does be unjust? God can not be anything but that which he tells us/reveals to us He is.

Thanks Greg,

I must say I am starting to get a good feel for this.

Thank you for re-affirming that God is never unjust, unkind or unloving.
I can see that the doctrine of unconditional reprobation only gives God the true glory in all His righteousness, holiness or love.

God is never a tyrant or a monster.

Thanks again, Greg - God, indeed, set the rules so the rules must be fair, just and equitable. Praise God!

Craig

[Saint Nicholas]

[quote=Robert R. Higby;55359]

The non-elect are not going to be judged merely or only by external law and commandments, whether Judeo-law, Deca-law, moral law, natural law, or any other law code.

The non-elect are going to be condemned on the day of judgment primarily in relation to the gospel.

Correct Robert. In my opinion why are some trying to complicate a rather easily understood (by the regenerate elect that is)and basic understanding between law and Gospel.

1) ALL forms of law magnify God's righteousness.
2) ALL forms of law condemn all men Elect and Reprobate. Because neither Elect or reprobate can meets the requirements of ALL the forms of law.
3) ALL forms of law point to the need of the redeemer Jesus Christ.
4) The focal point is acceptance or rejection of the Gospel.
5) God enables the elect to believe the Gospel.
6) God hardens the reprobate to reject the Gospel.
7) The Elect rest in the finished work of Christ for their Justification.
8) The reprobate try the live the law (any or all forms) as a means of justification.

Conclusion: "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil. For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God." John 3:18-21

Nicholas

[beloved57]

craige it appears God is working that mind sir..praise him..

[Craig kennedy]

[quote=Saint Nicholas;55366]

Correct Robert. In my opinion why are some trying to complicate a rather easily understood (by the regenerate elect that is)and basic understanding between law and Gospel.

1) ALL forms of law magnify God's righteousness.
2) ALL forms of law condemn all men Elect and Reprobate. Because neither Elect or reprobate can meets the requirements of ALL the forms of law.
3) ALL forms of law point to the need of the redeemer Jesus Christ.
4) The focal point is acceptance or rejection of the Gospel.
5) God enables the elect to believe the Gospel.
6) God hardens the reprobate to reject the Gospel.
7) The Elect rest in the finished work of Christ for their Justification.
8) The reprobate try the live the law (any or all forms) as a means of justification.

Conclusion: "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil. For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God." John 3:18-21

Nicholas

Nicholas,

Thank you for that excellent post.

You have laid the issues out in a succinct, simple and practical form with the focus on the gospel.

I have really appreciated all the help I've received here from everyone.

I can see it all so plainly! Praise God! The elect are enabled to believe in the testimony of Jesus Christ as their Surety and Covenant Head! The reprobate are justly condemned because they recive not the testimony of Christ!

Craig

[Craig kennedy]

All men everywhere are obligated to obey God. The Gospel command is given to everyone. However, only the elect are enabled to believe.

We don't know who the reprobate or elect are just by looking at them. Because of that, we will give the gospel news to anyone who is interested in what we have to say.

Whatever happens, GOD wants to happen. That includes false religion. God ALWAYS gets what He wants as it is He who has determined all things. God's people will teach the Gospel to those people that the Lord has led them in providence.

Hi Brandon,

I praise God that through all these posts an amazing process of integration has taken place.

Putting it all together, I can now see that what you asserted at the start of the thread is true and what Darryl has asserted is true.

The focus is on the gospel. Yes, you are right all men are obligated to obey God; the gospel command is given to all men; we give the gospel news to anyone who is interested in what we have to say; whatever happens happens because God wants it to happen; we teach the gospel to all those who in God's providence He has led us to; the command to repent and believe is an evangelical grace given to God's elect to manifest their eternal justification, while the reprobate fail to obey the gospel by believing not the testimony concerning His Son, Jesus Christ.

I will never be a "law" preacher again.

Craig

[beloved57]

craig says

The focus is on the gospel. Yes, you are right all men are obligated to obey God; the gospel command is given to all men;

I disagree with this statement craig , I dont believe the Gospel command is given to none but the elect. I thought I made that clear..

1 jn 3:

23And this is his commandment, That we[ the elect] should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

[Brandan Kraft]

Darryl, if all men are not commanded to believe the Gospel, why then are they punished for not believing the Gospel according to the Scriptures? Thanks!

[beloved57]

dan

The call of the gospel comes from the Holy Spirit and is always inward.

I agree..

God does not want all to believe, but only the chosen and he plans all things toward those ends.

I agree , Thanks for this post ..

[beloved57]

bob says

The non-elect are not going to be judged merely or only by external law and commandments, whether Judeo-law, Deca-law, moral law, natural law, or any other law code.

The non-elect are going to be condemned on the day of judgment primarily in relation to the gospel.

bob as always I appreciate your input on these matters. I believe that the non elect are going to be Judged for the entire tenor of disobediance that characterizes their life as children of disobediance, God fitted them for desruction.. eph 2:

Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

col 3 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

This disobedience is decreed from day one of their exsistence..

ps 58:

The wicked[ non elect] are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies

Now I know naturally this may apply to the elect, however clearly the holy spirit is emphasizing the wicked the seed of the serpent..of whom the are created to chacterize..

jn 8 44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. [ lie]He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
his cursed children come out doing the same..

The non-elect are going to be condemned on the day of judgment primarily in relation to the gospel.

I certainly cannot disagree here, I believe the standard will be the words of christ..

jn 12 48

48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Jesus words were comprised of opening up the everlasting covenent to his chosen..He was the messenger of the covenant...

This message was comprised of the Fathers everlasting love of a special people He had chosen..basically He opened up the Doctrines of grace to the elect..Their depravity , election , particular atonement , effectual call, and their preservation..and that though less understood , that these blessings belonged to not the physical jew , but for a chosen distinct people at large throughout the world..

As you know sir this message is rejected and disbelieved by the reprobated as it has been appointed..

God never desires or commands any to believe or submitt to this message but the elect..even though He does not take lightly the non elects disbelief of this message , not because he commands them to believe it no no , but because they call him a liar as to the basic tenor of what the gospel message is..

1 jn 5:

10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11And this is the record, that God hath given to us[ the elect] eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

The ungodly reprobate say God has no right to Love a specific people , and for christ to die only for a specific people , or that man has no ability to come to God and ect..

They Just dont believe it , they dont believe that God out of His absolute Sovereigny created vessels of wrath Just to make known His justice on sinners as rom 9 tells us..In fact grace shines it brightest reflected from the Fact that God could have created you or I as a vessel of wrath without a wink of a chance to change it..

And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness

and judgment;concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me." John 16:8.9

How do you understand this verse bob ? I believe here the mind of God is that the holy spirit comes to convict the unbelieving world of the elect of their sin , to bring them to faith in christ..Judgment , here is that God has declared that there is no more distinction , the Jews have been set aside , and that the gospel now proceeds out the world at large for the ingathering of the elect..look at isa 42:

Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." John 3:18

What is your meaning of this verse sir ? I believe it is simply saying that those believing the gospel manifest they are not condemed , that christ has bore their condemnation and those believing not make manifest that they are under condemnation for which they were created any way..

Thank you sir for your in put..

[marcuslid]

Darryl, if all men are not commanded to believe the Gospel, why then are they punished for not believing the Gospel according to the Scriptures? Thanks!

I have a question here. Now what about the people that never heard the Gospel? Would they fall under Romans 1:18-20; Romans 2:14-16?
Now I agree with Darryl as the Law was never intended to be obeyed, but to show us our sin; for the elect it will (Galatians 3:24) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

[beloved57]

Darryl, if all men are not commanded to believe the Gospel, why then are they punished for not believing the Gospel according to the Scriptures? Thanks!

They question the veracity and truthfulness of God making him a liar..

1 jn 5

10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

the record given is not a command in itself , its just a simple testimony brandon..

[beloved57]

marc ask

have a question here. Now what about the people that never heard the Gospel?

this means God had no good news for them..He is pleased for them to remain in their state..

Those who God has good news for he will send it to them !!

acts 10:


34Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. 36The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all

rom 10:


14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16But they have not all obeyed

Now marc we must believe that The sovereign of the Universe will have no problem finding out those who need to hear the gospel , I am sure you agree..

[marcuslid]

marc ask



this means God had no good news for them..He is pleased for them to remain in their state..

I guess I still have a question, please forgive my slowness. God being perfect justice, will judge the reprobate according to what?
This verse comes to mind.
Revelation 20:12
12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done.
Anyways thanks for your patience

Those who God has good news for he will send it to them !!

acts 10:


34Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. 36The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all

rom 10:


14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16But they have not all obeyed

Now marc we must believe that The sovereign of the Universe will have no problem finding out those who need to hear the gospel , I am sure you agree..

Wholeheartedly Parise God for His perfect will, His perfect wisdom, His perfect Justice.....and the MOST important person the Lord Jesus Christ

[beloved57]

marc ask

I

guess I still have a question, please forgive my slowness. God being perfect justice, will judge the reprobate according to what?

jn 12

48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

As to those who never heard the gospel and die in their sins , the standard of judgment will be according to the light given them..

rom 1: 21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Also marc not having heard the gospel just means less deserved punihment..
lk 12:
And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

[Robert R. Higby]

Darryl: God never desires or commands any to believe or submitt to this message but the elect..even though He does not take lightly the non elects disbelief of this message , not because he commands them to believe it no no , but because they call him a liar as to the basic tenor of what the gospel message is.

I tried to find the one point you have made that focuses most on the issue. To me, the statement above is paradoxical and doesn't harmonize. Either the gospel is not announced to the non-elect at all (according to God's purpose) and they therefore can't call God a liar regarding it (because it was never announced to them)--or it IS announced and they are accountable for rebelling against it. You can't have it both ways.

[beloved57]

Darryl: God never desires or commands any to believe or submitt to this message but the elect..even though He does not take lightly the non elects disbelief of this message , not because he commands them to believe it no no , but because they call him a liar as to the basic tenor of what the gospel message is.

I tried to find the one point you have made that focuses most on the issue. To me, the statement above is paradoxical and doesn't harmonize. Either the gospel is not announced to the non-elect at all (according to God's purpose) and they therefore can't call God a liar regarding it (because it was never announced to them)--or it IS announced and they are accountable for rebelling against it. You can't have it both ways.

I dont see how you can come up with that conclusion Having a testimony set before you is not a command to believe it..

When I witness the gospel to anyone I dare not say they are commanded to believe it..

Look at pauls testimony here bob acts 26:

2I think myself happy, king Agrippa, because I shall answer for myself this day before thee touching all the things whereof I am accused of the Jews:

3Especially because I know thee to be expert in all customs and questions which are among the Jews: wherefore I beseech thee to hear me patiently.
4My manner of life from my youth, which was at the first among mine own nation at Jerusalem, know all the Jews;
5Which knew me from the beginning, if they would testify, that after the most straitest sect of our religion I lived a Pharisee.
6And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made of God, unto our fathers:
7Unto which promise our twelve tribes, instantly serving God day and night, hope to come. For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews.
8Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you, that God should raise the dead?
9I verily thought with myself, that I ought to do many things contrary to the name of Jesus of Nazareth.
10Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against them.
11And I punished them oft in every synagogue, and compelled them to blaspheme; and being exceedingly mad against them, I persecuted them even unto strange cities.
12Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests,
13At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.
14And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
15And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
16But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
17Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
18To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
19Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
21For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me.
22Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
23That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.
24And as he thus spake for himself, Festus said with a loud voice, Paul, thou art beside thyself; much learning doth make thee mad.
25But he said, I am not mad, most noble Festus; but speak forth the words of truth and soberness.
26For the king knoweth of these things, before whom also I speak freely: for I am persuaded that none of these things are hidden from him; for this thing was not done in a corner.
27King Agrippa, believest thou the prophets? I know that thou believest.[ this is not a command from paul to the king]
28Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian. 29And Paul said, I would to God, that not only thou, but also all that hear me this day, were both almost, and altogether such as I am, except these bonds.

I see in this testimony of Gods grace being set forth..not one time is paul telling anyone this is a command for them to believe..

God will merely use a sound testimony of the gospel to call and command the elect to believe..the non elect are just left with a beaming witness of the truth , about the record God gave of His son. Agrippa says thou almost persuadest me Just means He did not believe pauls testimony..

[marcuslid]

marc ask

I

jn 12

48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

As to those who never heard the gospel and die in their sins , the standard of judgment will be according to the light given them..

rom 1: 21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Also marc not having heard the gospel just means less deserved punihment..
lk 12:
And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

Ok, thanks

[beloved57]

The sin of the non elect is making God a liar..

1 jn 5:

10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

to make God a liar does not presuppose any form of command directed to you..

for example. I have a message for a particular individual who is in the company of someone else who the message is not for. I pull the person aside and say hey I have something you must believe ! As I explain the message to that individual the person to whom the message was not for in no way shape or form , nevertheless that person heres the message that was directed to the specific person I wanted to hear the message. Now after the testimony has been given to the one intened I depart. by and by the person who before that was with the person I just gave the message , says hey man I overheard what was said to you and that message was a lie !

So what we have here is a person calling to question the veracity of a message that frankly was not even meant for that person to believe and obey any way..

The sin is not refusing to obey to submitt or anything , it was making god out to be a liar..

calling God a liar is not disobediance per se because the individual was not called by God to obey any way.. The message was not even for him to submitt to or anything..

Now the notriousness of this sin is you make God a liar..that is contributing to Him the very characterisics of the devil..

Notice what Jesus said..

jn 8:44

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father ..

Now does this man manifest rebellion ? Why sure..But this manifestation of rebellion was not a result of any specific command to obey at all..

God requires no submission or obediance from the children of the devil than He does from the devil himself..in fact in scripture every command of obediance Given to The devil or his demons they obeyed , they were in submission to the divine will..

[Craig kennedy]

I dont see how you can come up with that conclusion Having a testimony set before you is not a command to believe it..

When I witness the gospel to anyone I dare not say they are commanded to believe it..

Look at pauls testimony here bob acts 26:

2I think myself happy, king Agrippa, because I shall answer for myself this day before thee touching all the things whereof I am accused of the Jews:

3Especially because I know thee to be expert in all customs and questions which are among the Jews: wherefore I beseech thee to hear me patiently.
4My manner of life from my youth, which was at the first among mine own nation at Jerusalem, know all the Jews;
5Which knew me from the beginning, if they would testify, that after the most straitest sect of our religion I lived a Pharisee.
6And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made of God, unto our fathers:
7Unto which promise our twelve tribes, instantly serving God day and night, hope to come. For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews.
8Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you, that God should raise the dead?
9I verily thought with myself, that I ought to do many things contrary to the name of Jesus of Nazareth.
10Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against them.
11And I punished them oft in every synagogue, and compelled them to blaspheme; and being exceedingly mad against them, I persecuted them even unto strange cities.
12Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests,
13At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.
14And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
15And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
16But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
17Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
18To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
19Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
21For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me.
22Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
23That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.
24And as he thus spake for himself, Festus said with a loud voice, Paul, thou art beside thyself; much learning doth make thee mad.
25But he said, I am not mad, most noble Festus; but speak forth the words of truth and soberness.
26For the king knoweth of these things, before whom also I speak freely: for I am persuaded that none of these things are hidden from him; for this thing was not done in a corner.
27King Agrippa, believest thou the prophets? I know that thou believest.[ this is not a command from paul to the king]
28Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian. 29And Paul said, I would to God, that not only thou, but also all that hear me this day, were both almost, and altogether such as I am, except these bonds.

I see in this testimony of Gods grace being set forth..not one time is paul telling anyone this is a command for them to believe..

God will merely use a sound testimony of the gospel to call and command the elect to believe..the non elect are just left with a beaming witness of the truth , about the record God gave of His son. Agrippa says thou almost persuadest me Just means He did not believe pauls testimony..

Hi Darryl,

Bob makes compelling points and lays down a challenge that the discerning interpreter must come to grips with and eventually decide what God's will is on this matter.

In short summary Bob is saying you have two options:

1. Either the gospel is not announced to the non-elect at all and they, therefore, can't call God a liar.

OR...

2. The gospel is announced and the non-elect are accountable for rebelling against it.

If your postion is correct, you are, in effect, saying that the non-elect are only rejecting the testimony that God has elected a people saved in Jesus Christ from before the foundation of the world. Your position cannot account for active, deliberate rebellion against the gospel which, I think, the Bible teaches.

Darryl, in the light of what I have written how do you account fot the fact that "the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ..." (2 Thessalonians 1:7-8)?

This scripture, in my opinion, points clearly to reinforce option 2 above that the gospel is announced to the non-elect and they are held accountable for rebelling against it.

Please be sure, that to adopt option 2 does not infract a supralapsarian view of the order of the divine decrees, double predestination or a denial of the "free offer", common grace or duty faith/repentance.

Craig

[beloved57]

craig says

1. Either the gospel is not announced to the non-elect at all and they, therefore, can't call God a liar.

You must not have read my illustration that addresses this point.

Darryl, in the light of what I have written how do you account fot the fact that "the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ..." (2 Thessalonians 1:7-8)?

disobediance is there way of life , they are children of disobediance , God is not calling them not to be children of disobediance any more as he is calling satan not to be The Father of disobediance..

Jesus will be revealed from heaven taking vengence on the non elect those whom he created to reveal his wrath to any way..

rom 9:


17For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

God just endured these foolish creatures until the final ingathering of the vessels of mercy..

Satans mission has always been to stop or prevent the elect from obediance to God since the beginning , his obediance and submission is not even a issue neither is the non elect..