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    McLaren's Attack Against the Doctrines of Hell and the Substitionary Atonement

    Some of you may have already seen this, but for the others that have not, I thought I'd share this.
    http://www.alittleleaven.com/2008/02...ns-attack.html
    A friend and I were discussing why the Lord allows these people to profane His Holy Name so. My friend shared this verse with me.
    Deuteronomy 13:1-3
    1"If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, 2and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, 'Let us go after other gods,' which you have not known, 'and let us serve them,' 3you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the LORD your God is testing you, to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
    Also another verse came to mine as well.
    2 Thessalonians 2:11
    Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false,
    I wonder if God is judging those who are following this heresy? As indicated with the therefore talking about the previous verse - for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
    Anyways I welcome any thoughts on this.

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    Re: McLaren's Attack Against the Doctrines of Hell and the Substitionary Atonement

    McLaren's teachings are no doubt heretical on this and many other issues but I believe some make the mistake of attacking McLaren and ignoring the reasons why McLaren is capable of being as successful as he is. Many churches have abandoned Christ-centered and cross-focused preaching. They may pay lip-service to the cross but it is not central to their sermons. They would rather give morality lessons or preach about the errors in some other church or give the seven steps to something or other. The cross is unpopular. Paul saw Jesus Christ crucified as the central teaching of the Gospel but other things constantly take its place in the modern church--altar calls, doctrinal lectures, and a bunch of other stuff.
    For whatever strength of arm he may have who swims in the open sea, yet in time he is carried away and sunk, mastered by the greatness of its waves. Need then there is that we be in the ship, that is, that we be carried in the wood, that we may be able to cross this sea. Now this Wood in which our weakness is carried is the Cross of the Lord, by which we are signed, and delivered from the dangerous tempests of this world.--St. Augustine

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    Re: McLaren's Attack Against the Doctrines of Hell and the Substitionary Atonement

    Now see here how sleepy-headed all our opponents are, and how little it helps a man to rely on the ancient fathers, for all their repute down the course of the ages! Were they not all equally blind to, yes, and heeldess of, Paul's clearest and and plainest words?

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    Re: McLaren's Attack Against the Doctrines of Hell and the Substitionary Atonement

    Quote Originally Posted by wildboar View Post
    McLaren's teachings are no doubt heretical on this and many other issues but I believe some make the mistake of attacking McLaren and ignoring the reasons why McLaren is capable of being as successful as he is. Many churches have abandoned Christ-centered and cross-focused preaching. They may pay lip-service to the cross but it is not central to their sermons. They would rather give morality lessons or preach about the errors in some other church or give the seven steps to something or other. The cross is unpopular. Paul saw Jesus Christ crucified as the central teaching of the Gospel but other things constantly take its place in the modern church--altar calls, doctrinal lectures, and a bunch of other stuff.
    Very correct Charles. This stuff being labeled under the guise of Christian theolgy is blasphemous! It is pure bankrupt existential, mystical ,syncretistic, Garbage!!!!!!

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    Re: McLaren's Attack Against the Doctrines of Hell and the Substitionary Atonement

    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Nicholas View Post
    Very correct Charles. This stuff being labeled under the guise of Christian theolgy is blasphemous! It is pure bankrupt existential, mystical ,syncretistic, Garbage!!!!!!

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    Jn 14:23-24, (NASB)
    Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. "He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, BUT The Father's Who sent Me.

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