Jonah 1:
1Now the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the son of Amittai, saying, 2Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it; for their wickedness is come up before me.
Jonah 1:
1Now the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the son of Amittai, saying, 2Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it; for their wickedness is come up before me.
Jonah 3:1-4Originally Posted by beloved57
1Then the word of the LORD came to Jonah the second time, saying, 2"Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and call out against it the message that I tell you." 3So Jonah arose and went to Nineveh, according to the word of the LORD. Now Nineveh was an exceedingly great city, three days’ journey in breadth. 4Jonah began to go into the city, going a day’s journey. And he called out, "Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown!"
I would have to say no. The king of Nineveh must of had some revelation that God was also a God of mercy from this statement.
Jonah 3:9
Who knows? God may turn and relent and turn from his fierce anger, so that we may not perish."
11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Revelation 19:11,16
marc says
You are right sir but traditionally this passage is used to say God told nineveh to repent..I would have to say no.
But later I may post something on repentance outside of the usage of evangelical repentance as it pertains to the call of the gospel , this repentance evanelical or [gospel] never applies to satan seed but their is a repentance perhaps that does..
I am still studying this view..
Does the bible speak of Nineveh not repenting at the command of Johan at all?
"Jesus loves me, this I know, for the Bible tells me so..."
You tell me ... Do you see a command given to repent ?Does the bible speak of Nineveh not repenting at the command of Johan at all?
Firstly, you need to quit playing games. Secondly, you need to stop being intellectually dishonest and quit PURPOSELY mishandling the Word of God on this forum - got it? I'm getting sick of reading your dribble and haven't responded NOT BECAUSE I am I unable, rather, because I am unwilling to go through the same motions with same people, time and time again.
However, to my shame, I've let these sort of antics run amok. This time I'll roll up my sleeves a bit and see what happen from here.
I'm asking you a simple "yes" or "no" question. I'm assuming you're able to provide a mature, intelligent response. It seems you propose that the ministry of Jonah, to Nineveh, is absence of any command to repent (never mind the fact you have yet to qualify this "repentance" as eternally salvific or temporal).
Are you trying to suggest a command to repent was not deliver by the prophet Jonah to Nineveh? If this is the nature of your current 'wind of doctrine' can you please "yes" or "no" answer that we may quit sucking up precious global bandwidth?
"Jesus loves me, this I know, for the Bible tells me so..."
Matthew 3:1-9 In those days John the Baptist came preaching in the wilderness of Judea, 2 and saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!" 3 For this is he who was spoken of by the prophet Isaiah, saying: "The voice of one crying in the wilderness: 'Prepare the way of the LORD; Make His paths straight.' " 4 And John himself was clothed in camel's hair, with a leather belt around his waist; and his food was locusts and wild honey. 5 Then Jerusalem, all Judea, and all the region around the Jordan went out to him 6 and were baptized by him in the Jordan, confessing their sins. 7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, "Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 "Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, 9 "and do not think to say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones.
Did John the Baptist then sin in his proclamation to repent?
Ezekiel 3:18-21 "When I say to the wicked, 'You shall surely die,' and you give him no warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life, that same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at your hand. 19 "Yet, if you warn the wicked, and he does not turn from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul. 20 "Again, when a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and I lay a stumbling block before him, he shall die; because you did not give him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; but his blood I will require at your hand. 21 "Nevertheless if you warn the righteous man that the righteous should not sin, and he does not sin, he shall surely live because he took warning; also you will have delivered your soul."
The Scriptures are pretty clear on the fact that repentance is to be preached indiscriminately. Even a child can understand this passage. And of course those who do not have the faith of a little child will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
For whatever strength of arm he may have who swims in the open sea, yet in time he is carried away and sunk, mastered by the greatness of its waves. Need then there is that we be in the ship, that is, that we be carried in the wood, that we may be able to cross this sea. Now this Wood in which our weakness is carried is the Cross of the Lord, by which we are signed, and delivered from the dangerous tempests of this world.--St. Augustine
The title of this thread was posed in the form of a question;
"Did God Tell Jonah to preach Repentance to Nineveh ?"
It appears the suggestion is that he wasn't, based on the lack of an "explicit" combination of words present in the book of Jonah - as in "Jonah, Go tell Nineveh to repent". At first glance this may appear to be the case, and even more so when we approach the text with the mindset of a 21st century Christian.
[Jon 1:1] "... Now the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the son of Amittai, saying, Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it; for their wickedness is come up before me."
It's obvious those EXACT words are not present in the passage, but does this rule out the claim that the prophet Jonah was sent to preach repentance? Not at all...
Perhaps one of the greatest witnesses of the bible, in proving it's supernatural engineering, is it's complete internal consistency. While subject matter pertaining to any particular topic might not be blatantly put forth for the reader to readily understand, it does an excellent job of either alluding to, or an outright explanation of, the meaning of a passage elsewhere within its pages.
For instance, it might not be explicitly stated in Jonah 1:1 that the prophet was sent to command Nineveh to repent, but the very words of Christ Himself teach that he was, not once but TWICE!
[Mat 12:41] "...The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and, behold, a greater than Jonah is here."
[Luk 11:32] "...The men of Nineveh shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and, behold, a greater than Jonah is here."
As much as we would like to think that what we believe to be true is true, because we believe it to be true, we have to remember the commandment of our Lord concerning those who try to teach us...
"take heed to what you hear"
Last edited by Ugly_Gaunt_Cow; 02-16-2008 at 11:43 PM.
"Jesus loves me, this I know, for the Bible tells me so..."
Hopefully, the obvious answer to this question encourages us to "preach repentance" to this culture instead of hiding in a corner liked whipped pups. The mentality of the "church" today is that we have to somehow be accepted by this culture and acceptance is not found in preaching repentance. This is God's Kingdom, we belong to Him and we have the Truth; let's preach repentance like Jonah!
Amen!....Also I may add, that discussions about sin, judgement, hell, and the true and real depraved nature of man are not fashionable in the so-called "seeker friendly" assemblies of our day.
In my humble opinion, it's all about "money" and "control". This keeps the debauched clergy safe from retribution and redress.
Nicholas
And he said , Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. John 6:65
Re: Did God Tell Jonah to preach Repentance to Ninevah ?
This discussion makes me want to dig into the Bible deeper, a word search on the words repent and repentance is now on my"to do list"...
At first glance this to me does seem like Jonah was supposed to only "cry out" against the actual wrongs that Ninevah was committing, and that God was going to judge them for it....but gave them the thought that perhaps they could change God's mind:
Jonah 3:9
Who knows? God may turn and relent and turn from his fierce anger, so that we may not perish."
This is interesting to me, because I do believe we are to say only what we are given to say, just as Jesus said He did while on earth, and perhaps, those whom God chooses, He will convict and prick their hearts....I see a whole lot of people these days presuming God is telling them things to say, but I'm not convinced....and in fact, they seem to make Jesus a laughingstock. I am going to pray about this, and do some digging...
Dead faith is only possible if you are not ALIVE in Christ!
“Do as you are bid; feed the sheep, feed the lambs; the goats will never believe the gospel,
though they may believe your doctrine.”
William Huntington
Augustus Toplady (1740-1778) was John Wesley's chief opponent
These statements where for examples to us. God has predestined all things, he does not change or waiver. He is not like man in that he turns. All things are as he ordained from eternity.
Since God predestines all things, then everything that anyone says was given to them to say.This is interesting to me, because I do believe we are to say only what we are given to say, just as Jesus said He did while on earth, and perhaps, those whom God chooses, He will convict and prick their hearts....I see a whole lot of people these days presuming God is telling them things to say, but I'm not convinced....and in fact, they seem to make Jesus a laughingstock. I am going to pray about this, and do some digging...
Isaiah 45:7: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Re: Did God Tell Jonah to preach Repentance to Ninevah ?
This question will probably get me into trouble with you, Greg, but let me get some clarification....are you telling me that doing a word search on repenting and praying about this matter is a waste of time....?
Dead faith is only possible if you are not ALIVE in Christ!
“Do as you are bid; feed the sheep, feed the lambs; the goats will never believe the gospel,
though they may believe your doctrine.”
William Huntington
Augustus Toplady (1740-1778) was John Wesley's chief opponent
No.
Isaiah 45:7: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Re: Did God Tell Jonah to preach Repentance to Ninevah ?
And so I agree with you
I'm a bottom-line kind of person too...I like to have everything in tidy neat packages where a sentence will bottom-line what should take pages of exposition....
God is sovereign, and He has sovereignly planned every minute detail of what He desires of us, including His divine daily interactions with our human inadequacies....and it requires in time actions this moment in time that He has already purposed from the beginning....
One of the lessons in the book of Jonah is that Jonah's stubborness couldn't mess it up....but there is a correct way, God's way, and eventually God humbled Jonah to it...so the minor lessons in Jonah may be just as important to our learning as the major lesson...
Mindboggling to me, foundational and simple to our mighty Lord.
Dead faith is only possible if you are not ALIVE in Christ!
“Do as you are bid; feed the sheep, feed the lambs; the goats will never believe the gospel,
though they may believe your doctrine.”
William Huntington
Augustus Toplady (1740-1778) was John Wesley's chief opponent
The important concept here is this: if God presents Himself as standing ready to alter a prophesied destiny for a nation in connection with repentance, as He did in certain OT instances, He intended to GIVE repentance and correspondingly alter that prophesied destiny all along.
Now see here how sleepy-headed all our opponents are, and how little it helps a man to rely on the ancient fathers, for all their repute down the course of the ages! Were they not all equally blind to, yes, and heeldess of, Paul's clearest and and plainest words?
--Martin Luther
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