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    Re: The 2008 Economic Crisis

    Well if the French economics don't produce any results soon, then we're gonna have to do the Austrian purge!!!

    Vive La France – the Road to Hyperinflation
    This week, as the financial sector began to give way under the unbearable weight of bad mortgage debt, the Federal Reserve stepped in to save the day. At least that’s what it says in the script.

    In a surprise move, the Federal Reserve announced its intention to swap $200 billion of treasury debt for $200 billion of potentially worthless mortgage-backed securities. The Fed may have been partially spurred to take the step as a result of the rapid collapse of Carlyle Capital Corp. a publicly traded private equity firm that is a subsidiary of the Carlyle Group. The Dutch firm could not meet margin calls on its depreciating collateral of AAA-rated mortgaged-backed securities guaranteed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. On Friday, the Fed then took the unusual step of providing emergency “non-recourse” funding to Bear Stearns, collateralized by that firm’s similarly worthless mortgage debt. Apparently the Fed now stands willing to assume any mortgage-related risk that no other private entity would touch.

    That the Fed would take such extreme measures, which would have been considered unthinkable even a few months ago, followed a few notable media events that may have affected their thinking. On Monday, Wall Street was rocked by an article in Barron’s that suggested that government sponsored lenders Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac lacked sufficient capital to cover the likely losses on the $5 trillion in mortgages they insure (a position that I have taken for years) and raised the possibility of either bankruptcy or a government bailout. On CNBC the next day, Paul McCulley, the managing director at Pimco, the world’s largest bond fund, publicly called for the Fed to use its balance sheet and its printing press to buy mortgages.

    According to the Fed, its new plan does not amount to buying mortgages but simply accepting them as collateral for 28-day loans. However, will the Fed really return these ticking time bombs to their true owners in 28 days, inciting the very collapse its actions were originally designed to postpone? Why does the Fed believe that the mortgages will be marketable next month; or the month after that? Nor can we believe that such “loans” will be restricted to only $200 billion. Bear Stearns and Carlyle are certainly not alone in massive exposure to bad debt. Given the unprecedented leverage that many of the biggest financial firms used to play in this market, there will be many more failures to come. Does the Fed stand ready to bail out all comers? Based on this course of action, the Fed, or more precisely American citizens, will end up with trillions, not billions, of such securities on its books.

    The problem with these mortgages (other than the borrowers lacking any means or desire to repay them) is that the underlying collateral is worth a fraction of the face amount. With recent foreclosure recovery rates amounting to less than 50 cents on the dollar, it is no wonder that no one wants them. The real estate bubble allowed borrowers to leverage themselves to the hilt using inflated home values as collateral. However, now that the bubble has burst, mortgage balances far exceed current property values. It is a trillion dollar time bomb that no one can possibly defuse.

    Paper dollars are technically Federal Reserve Notes, which means they are liabilities of the Fed. When it puts newly minted notes into circulation it does so by buying assets, usually U.S. treasuries, which it then holds on its balance sheet to offset that liability. By swapping treasuries for mortgages, the Fed effectively alters the compilation of its balance sheet and the backing of its notes.

    However, backing paper money with mortgages is nothing new. The French tried it in the late 18th Century, and it lead to hyperinflation. Assignats, which were first issued in 1790 to help finance the French revolution, were backed by mortgages on confiscated church properties. Although the stolen underlying collateral did have some value, the revolutionaries saw no reason to limit how many Assignats were printed, which resulted in massive depreciation. Within three years, price controls were introduced and failure to accept Assignats, initially an offence subject to six years in prison, was made a capital crime. By 1799 the currency was completely worthless.

    If even the threat of death could not prop up the Assignat, does anyone believe that the currency could have been saved if Robespierre had forcefully mouthed a “strong Assignat policy” as President Bush is now doing with the dollar? Rather than repeating the mistakes of history we should learn from them. Our own failed experiment with the Continental currency as well as the Great Depression should prove conclusively that it is Austrian, and not French, economics we should be following.
    Massive housing deflation needs to occur - let the banks and the mortgage holders take the hit. Prosecute the criminals (borrowers AND brokers). Eliminate hedge funds. The economy will recover. Cut taxes. Just don't let massive deflation hit and don't hyper-inflate. Let us ride out a 70s style recession and get on with our lives.
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    Re: The 2008 Economic Crisis

    What the U.S. Can Learn from Japan's 'Lost Decade'
    Imagine this scenario: Real estate prices plummet, banks falter and policymakers wring their hands while a nervous public watches and worries. America in 2008? No. Japan in 1990.

    Nearly two decades before America's mortgage crisis, Japan weathered a real estate crisis of its own. And Japan's experience — while far from a carbon copy of America's — offers important lessons for the U.S., say economists who have studied both countries.

    In some ways, the similarities are striking. Both housing bubbles involved reckless lending and high-flying real estate — commercial in Japan, residential in the U.S. As in the U.S., Japan was flooded with cheap and easy credit, thanks to newfangled financial products such as derivatives. Real estate prices soared. For a while, the tiny spit of land surrounding the Imperial Palace in central Tokyo was worth more than the entire state of California, and a $1,000 bill (if such a thing existed) would not pay for the surface area it would cover in the city's Ginza district.
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    Re: The 2008 Economic Crisis

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    Global economy will prevent a deep recession
    Now that Alan Greenspan has been retired for more than a year, popular opinion has started to turn against him. Criticism of the former U.S. Fed governor revolves around what many consider his true legacy as father of the "bubble" economy. This criticism is a result of hindsight analysis of the Federal Reserve under his direction, and the aggressive easing that was undertaken during times of economic weakness.

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    With regard to today's situation, the economy cannot be put into a deep recession or depression due to a new aspect of macroeconomics: the global linking of economies. The "fast" money that had access to "easy" credit has to be washed away, and at some future point normal valuations and liquidity can be restored. The contrarian investor can actually profit from bubbles by taking advantage of what remains after the carnage.

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    In the end, the bubbles of the past, present and future will always punish the investor with a "herd" mentality and reward the patient contrarian who sees the misalignment of capital as a buying opportunity.
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    Crisis?

    Periodically we go through these things. The easy money types find a crack in the system and exploit it. Real estate always goes up in value "they" said this time, so it was lend, lend, lend, without regard to value. I think after this cycle is over, which I expect to last into maybe the first part of 2009, things will start going up again, but more cautiously. Lending will be more, um, circumspect. At some point there is an end to all things. There is a limit on how low unemployment can go, how high personal ownership of homes can go and so on, then it falls back, then unemployment has to rise. Jets after all, cannot fly in space, but they can get oh so close.

    So far we're not even in a recession. That requires 2 quarters of negative growth for the technical definition of recession to apply and the expert I'm leaning on said that hadn't happened yet. We've not even had the first of two quarters of negative growth.

    I might be wrong but I think there are interesting new factors to consider. There are markets in Hong Kong, in China, in India, in Japan, in Europe and so on. Let us say that a market crashes in India. Unreasonably so. There is now so much capital in the world that it can rush overnight from one side of the date line to the other at the speed of light. Let us say also that you are an investor making good return on your Microsoft stock in the United States but suddenly a textile manufacturer in Bangla Desh is grossly undervalued. You lose $5,000,000 to jump precipitously out of your large portfolio of tech stocks here, but instead of the slow growth offered by those stocks, good growth, just somewhat slow, you have the opportunity to jump on undervalued stock on the other side of the world. Sell, pounce, buy. You're a textiles mogul in Bangla Desh for the foreseeable future, lets say in this case, a month or two while the market recovers and you make $20,000,000 taking advantage of a panic over there. You're up $15,000,000. I think a lot of that is going on as well.

    Do I think we're in a crisis? No. Do I think we can talk ourselves into one? Yup.

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    Re: The 2008 Economic Crisis

    US losing confidence vote as investors flee
    As feared, foreign bond holders have begun to exercise a collective vote of no confidence in the devaluation policies of the US government. The Federal Reserve faces a potential veto of its rescue measures.

    Asian, Mid East and European investors stood aside at last week's auction of 10-year US Treasury notes. "It was a disaster," said Ray Attrill from 4castweb. "We may be close to the point where the uglier consequences of benign neglect towards the currency are revealed."

    The share of foreign buyers ("indirect bidders") plummeted to 5.8pc, from an average 25pc over the last eight weeks. On the Richter Scale of unfolding dramas, this matches the death of Bear Stearns.

    Rightly or wrongly, a view has taken hold that Washington is cynically debasing the coinage, hoping to export its day of reckoning through beggar-thy-neighbour policies.

    It is not my view. I believe the forces of debt deflation now engulfing America - and soon half the world - are so powerful that nobody will be worrying about inflation a year hence.

    Yes, the Fed caused this mess by setting the price of credit too low for too long, feeding the cancer of debt dependency. But we are in the eye of the storm now. This is not a time for priggery.

    The Fed's emergency actions are imperative. Last week's collapse of confidence in the creditworthiness of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac was life-threatening. These agencies underpin 60pc of the $11,000bn market for US home loans.

    With the "financial accelerator" kicking into top gear - downwards - we may need everything that Ben Bernanke can offer.

    "The situation is getting worse, and the risks are that it could get very bad," said Martin Feldstein, head of the National Bureau of Economic Research. "There's no doubt that this year and next year are going to be very difficult."

    Even monetary policy à l'outrance may not be enough to halt the spiral. Former US Treasury secretary Lawrence Summers says the Fed's shower of liquidity cannot cure a bankruptcy crisis caused by a tidal wave of property defaults.

    "It is like fighting a virus with antibiotics," he said.

    We can no longer exclude a partial nationalisation of the American banking system, modelled on the Nordic rescue in the early 1990s.
    Federal Reserve steps in to prevent financial meltdown
    The dollar tumbled and stock markets were left reeling after the Federal Reserve unveiled new measures designed to prevent a meltdown in global financial markets and Bear Stearns was sold for $240m.

    Meeting over the weekend, Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke cut the so-called discount rate at which it is prepared to lend to banks to 3.25pc and said it will lend more to the 20 big banks that make the market for US government debt.

    Coming a day before the Fed was scheduled to meet on interest rates, the action signals that the central bank is increasingly fearful of an implosion in markets. Vincent Reinhart, a former director at the Fed, told Bloomberg News that the move's "got to tell you the economy is in a pretty precarious state."

    The news sent shares in Asia tumbling, with Japan's Nikkei 225 down more than 3pc, Hong Kong's Hang Seng index off more than 4pc and the dollar crashing to a new low against the euro.

    The greenback, which has been battered so far this year, also fell against the yen and reached parity with the Swiss Franc. David Goldman, a strategist at Asteri Capital in New York, said: "Something is systemically very wrong and we're at a very dangerous moment."

    Separately, JPMorgan announced it will buy Bear Stearns, the second-biggest underwriter of US mortgage bonds, for $240m. Shares in Bear Stearns crashed almost 50pc on Friday amid rumours of a cash shortage.

    US Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson defended the bailout out of Bear Stearns, arguing that "our focus, our No. 1 priority is the stability of our financial system."
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    Re: The 2008 Economic Crisis

    UPDATE 1-U.S. 3-month bill yield seen lowest in 50 years

    UPDATE 1-U.S. 3-month bill yield seen lowest in 50 years

    Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:41am EDT

    (Updates market action, adds quote)

    By Richard Leong

    NEW YORK, March 17 (Reuters) - The yield on U.S. 3-month Treasury bills fell below 1 percent on Monday to levels not seen in 50 years prompted by intense safety bids for cash spurred by the ongoing global credit crunch.

    Investors were pulling money out of stocks and even the booming commodity market even after the Federal Reserve conducted a fresh round of measures over the weekend to alleviate the credit crisis.

    Major U.S. stock indexes .DJI .SPX .IXIC were down as much as 1 percent. Oil prices CLc1 were off 2.6 percent at $107 a barrel.

    "People are confused. They are in a reactive mode," said Lou Brien, market strategist at DRW Trading in Chicago.

    The yield on three-month T-bills, considered by economists as a "risk-free" benchmark return on U.S. assets, was last quoted at 0.84 percent , down 36 basis points from late Friday. It reached a low of 0.63 percent earlier.

    "It's a complete place to hide out," Brien said.

    The yield on 1-month Treasury bills traded even lower than their three-month counterparts. It was last quoted at 0.55 percent, down 64 basis points from late Friday.

    Six-month bill yield last traded at 1.23 percent, compared with 1.34 percent late on Friday. (Reporting by Richard Leong, editing by Walker Simon)
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    Re: The 2008 Economic Crisis

    George Washington says:
    Blood running in the streets. Mobs of rioters and demonstrators threatening banks and legislatures. Looting of shop and home. Strikes and unemployment. Trade and distribution paralyzed. Shortages of food. Bankruptcies everywhere. Court dockets overloaded. Kidnappings for heavy ransom. Sexual perversion, drunkenness, lawlessness rampant. The wheels of government are clogged, and we are descending into the vale of confusion and darkness. No day was ever more clouded than the present. We are fast verging on anarchy and confusion. (George Washington in a 1786 letter to James Madison, describing the effects of fiat paper money inflation then ravaging America in the pre Constitutional period.)
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    Re: The 2008 Economic Crisis

    Isaiah 45:7: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

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    Re: The 2008 Economic Crisis

    Tent cities are springing up now!

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    Re: The 2008 Economic Crisis

    The stock market is up today though that must count for something.. maybe a lil bit of hope in all this recession talk.
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    Re: The 2008 Economic Crisis

    The economy did not collapse today like many were expecting it to - which explains the rally. I still look for the market to fall considerably. Citigroup, lehman bros., and many others.. are still heavily leveraged and when the margin calls come it won't be pretty.
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    Re: The 2008 Economic Crisis

    Yes, in any bear market you have periodic corrections up just like in any bull market you have periodic corrections down. I don't have any confidence that we are moving toward a permanent bull market at all.

    What this means is that you have to pick your investments EXREMELY CAREFULLY these days!

    The stock market in any case is not a sure indicator of the future of the economy. The stock market crash of 1929 was NOT the cause of the great depression; that legend is a GROSS distortion of the facts AT BEST! The depression was caused by the Federal Reserve cutting off credit relief to virtually everyone because of the ALLEGED hoarding of gold.
    Now see here how sleepy-headed all our opponents are, and how little it helps a man to rely on the ancient fathers, for all their repute down the course of the ages! Were they not all equally blind to, yes, and heeldess of, Paul's clearest and and plainest words?

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    Re: The 2008 Economic Crisis

    The fed cut interest rates again today: http://edition.cnn.com/2008/BUSINESS...ets/index.html

    Lets hear it for fascism and fiat money, woohoo!!!
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    Re: The 2008 Economic Crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert R. Higby View Post
    Yes, in any bear market you have periodic corrections up just like in any bull market you have periodic corrections down. I don't have any confidence that we are moving toward a permanent bull market at all.

    What this means is that you have to pick your investments EXREMELY CAREFULLY these days!

    The stock market in any case is not a sure indicator of the future of the economy. The stock market crash of 1929 was NOT the cause of the great depression; that legend is a GROSS distortion of the facts AT BEST! The depression was caused by the Federal Reserve cutting off credit relief to virtually everyone because of the ALLEGED hoarding of gold.
    Exactly. The 1920s saw an enormous credit expansion, and the depression was caused by cutting the credit off.

    It was interesting yesterday to see the rate cut AND see the dollar make a gain AND commodities go down (including oil and gold). Are we going to see the bubble pop?

    During the lead up to the 20s stock market crash we also saw rallies like the one we saw yesterday.

    If the banks cut off credit to everyone and inflation continues to hit, we'll be in a major recession even if the stock market stays the same.
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    Re: The 2008 Economic Crisis

    I recommend investing in Beer companies like Anheiser Busch - people still bought beer during the depression.
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    Stocks plunged nearly 300 today.
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    Ditch the Garbage! - Too many people are proud of their humility - I, on the other hand, am not humble - and am proud of it!

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    Re: The 2008 Economic Crisis

    The Fed's Managed Deflation
    Yesterday's 400+ point gain in the Dow Jones Industrial Average - the second such monstrosity in a week - was a spectacle to behold. Market pundits oohed and aaahed, mesmerized by the action and lauded the Federal Reserve's "decisive action" that "averted crisis" and "restored confidence" to the markets. And indeed, it worked! Confidence was restored! At least for yesterday.

    Today is a new day, filled with fear and loathing. With the Dow closing down nearly 300 points, one cannot help but wonder: What happened to all of the excess confidence? Yesterday many market pundits said it "felt like" the bottom. I wonder how it "feels" today, after the Dow - for a second time in a week - has been unable to build on a 400+ point gain, to say nothing of merely holding it. But rather than rely on feelings, let's turn back to our trusty Dow range chart that we've been watching for the past several weeks the way we'd watch a baseball game - with one eye on the lazy action, waiting for something important to happen.

    ...

    Why deflate? There is simply too much debt in the system. I don't believe the Fed is stupid enough to believe that it can inflate forever. The dollar is at risk, and the dollar is the source of the Fed's and America's power. If we lose that, all is lost. The Fed's most important task must shift to saving the dollar by presiding over a managed deflation, economy be damned.

    And lest you think that Wall Street banks will take their new found borrowings from the Fed's new lending facilities to go out and leverage up and party on like the old days, think again. The Fed has sent a loud and clear message with Sunday's ritual sacrifice of Bear Stearns.

    That's right - ritual sacrifice. The Fed could have easily saved Bear if it had just given it access to borrow at the discount window. Investment banks have that access now, but poor Bear couldn't get the cash last week. Instead the Fed let JP Morgan eat Bear for dinner, in a shocking, brutal and bloody ceremony. The Fed even picked up the tab. Like all ritual sacrifices, the choice of the victim was random. It could have been any one of the banks on Wall Street. Confidence was crumbling across the board but it just happened to be that the bank run started at Bear Stearns. The purpose of the ceremony was to scare the crap out of all those watching. It was a display of Fed power both to the world and the rest of the banks on the street. To the world it was a statement that the Fed will protect the system. To the banks, it was a stark warning from the Godfather: "Forget moral hazard. If you f*ck up, you will be left with nothing. Do you understand me? Nothing!" Enough of the funny business that got Bear into trouble - everyone has to clean up their act, lest they too end up like the poor employees of Bear Stearns.
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    Re: The 2008 Economic Crisis

    Global capitalism teeters on the brink
    The U.S. central bank is slashing interest rates, accepting piles of near-worthless securities from commercial banks as collateral for emergency loans, and pumping hundreds of billions of dollars into the economy. A problem that began last summer in the lowest-grade U.S. mortgage market has spread around the world, moved relentlessly up the quality ladder and sucked credit from the global financial system like oxygen from a flame. Each intervention by U.S., European, Japanese and Canadian central banks to stabilize the situation has been swamped by surprises that have escalated the crisis to a new level.

    Over the weekend, experts talked about the risk of the financial system's wholesale collapse. Some even drew parallels between today's situation and the credit crisis that produced the Depression.

    What's going on? Are we simply in the midst of another gut-churning fluctuation of a world economy that's prone to intermittent volatility but that always seems to find its footing? Or are we glimpsing a deeper emergency, one that goes to the heart of modern global capitalism?

    The U.S. Federal Reserve's latest efforts may stabilize markets for the time being; stock markets were sharply higher yesterday. But there's reason to believe the crisis is the product of systemic problems in the world's economy.
    ....
    What we're witnessing in the economy is unprecedented in my opinion - the likes of which we'll be talking about the rest of our lives! A new chapter in the American economy is about to be written - how it goes down is anybody's guess.
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