Mark 10:21

[marcuslid]

I posted this on another forum but am interested on what you have to say about this subject.
I was wondering if anyone would be able to shed some light on this verse in regards to the topic "God loves the reprobate?"
Mark 10:21
Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

[Brandan Kraft]

This rich young ruler was loved by Christ. Why would one assume he was reprobate?

[marcuslid]

This rich young ruler was loved by Christ. Why would one assume he was reprobate?

The only reason is in verse 22
22And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.
Do we have any idea that he became a believer down the road? The reason I ask this, is that the centurion in Matthew 27:54;Mark 15:39; Luke 23:47;church historians believe he became a believer.

[Whammer]

I think the topic itself needs to be considered in the light of what scripture has revealed about the destinies of the 2 kinds of people. There are only 2 realities for the future.......lake of fire/black pits of darkness or the new heavens and earth.
We know that Mat. 7:14 when we hit Rev. 21:1-8. When we look at the reality that both destinies are eternal.....not just a timely drop in the bucket so to speak, then IMO it brings all this into focus with Rom. 5:7-8 and 9-11 as well. How could it be said truthfully that God demonstrated the same love He has for those in the new h/e...for those who dwell in eternal darkness?
The only way a person can come to the conclusion that the cross proves that God loves everyone is if they believe justification is accomplished in its completion by an act of human will.
Think on this too..........

[Brandan Kraft]

The only reason is in verse 22
22And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.
Do we have any idea that he became a believer down the road? The reason I ask this, is that the centurion in Matthew 27:54;Mark 15:39; Luke 23:47;church historians believe he became a believer.

Do we have any reason to believe he DIDN'T become a believer down the road? What are the elect like prior to regeneration?

[Whammer]

We also need to remember that we have a very small amount of history recorded here, remember the words of John in Joh. 21:25
This rich young ruler's birth falls in this type of catergory because there is simply not enough books to contain all that Jesus did and all that He continues to do.......since "He forever lives"

[marcuslid]

I think the topic itself needs to be considered in the light of what scripture has revealed about the destinies of the 2 kinds of people. There are only 2 realities for the future.......lake of fire/black pits of darkness or the new heavens and earth.
We know that Mat. 7:14 when we hit Rev. 21:1-8. When we look at the reality that both destinies are eternal.....not just a timely drop in the bucket so to speak, then IMO it brings all this into focus with Rom. 5:7-8 and 9-11 as well.

Agreed, no discussion there.

How could it be said truthfully that God demonstrated the same love He has for those in the new h/e...for those who dwell in eternal darkness?

I don't think the word is the same love as agape; I believe it uses agapao - to love (in a social or moral sense).
I'm just trying try to discern what is pleasing to the Lord.

The only way a person can come to the conclusion that the cross proves that God loves everyone is if they believe justification is accomplished in its completion by an act of human will.
Think on this too..........[/quote]

Psalm 3:8

Salvation

belongs to Jehovah. Your
blessing is on Your people. Selah.

[Ugly_Gaunt_Cow]

You can speculate if the young man was reprobate or not, but I would be hard pressed to believe that reprobation, or election is the thrust of the text. We need to deal with the intent of passage first, then address the implications that are to be gleaned from the nuances found within it.

[marcuslid]

You can speculate if the young man was reprobate or not, but I would be hard pressed to believe that reprobation, or election is the thrust of the text. We need to deal with the intent of passage first, then address the implications that are to be gleaned from the nuances found within it.

Agreed, it was just a question that I was thinking about

[Ugly_Gaunt_Cow]

Agreed, it was just a question that I was thinking about

No worries. This is a join effort - and an interesting question.

If we examine the details that carry 'less-than-obvious' significance, we might able able gain a fuller understanding of some of the smaller details being made juxtapose the main point.

One thing that demands attention is that we have a "rich" "young" "ruler" coming to Christ.

Being a Jew (based on my understanding of OT text), his prosperity would have been understood by his contemporaries as a blessing under the Mosaic covenant. He is a young man, who after keeping the law and being blessed thereof, showed 'evidence of faith' in something other than the law - faith in Christ Himself. This is evident by the fact he sought Christ, referred to Christ as "Master" and sought His council concerning eternal life. It's after this that we read;

"Then Jesus beholding him loved him..."

These things make me ask;

Why would he seek Christ, and why would Christ love him?

[marcuslid]

No worries. This is a join effort - and an interesting question.

If we examine the details that carry 'less-than-obvious' significance, we might able able gain a fuller understanding of some of the smaller details being made juxtapose the main point.

One thing that demands attention is that we have a "rich" "young" "ruler" coming to Christ.

Being a Jew (based on my understanding of OT text), his prosperity would have been understood by his contemporaries as a blessing under the Mosaic covenant. He is a young man, who after keeping the law and being blessed thereof, showed 'evidence of faith' in something other than the law - faith in Christ Himself. This is evident by the fact he sought Christ, referred to Christ as "Master" and sought His council concerning eternal life. It's after this that we read;

"Then Jesus beholding him loved him..."

These things make me ask;

Why would he seek Christ, and why would Christ love him?

Hmm..Thanks very good points to consider

[The Hawker]

I posted this on another forum but am interested on what you have to say about this subject.


I was wondering if anyone would be able to shed some light on this verse in regards to the topic "God loves the reprobate?"
Mark 10:21
Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

This is a very interesting passage of scripture. I think it would be dangerous to assume that this man was lost, because the right question was asked by the disciples in verse 26.

26 And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?

Now comes the answer:

27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.



Therefore we should be careful to not refer to folks as reprobates when with God, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE. There is a genuine possibility that this man is a child God. We will find out for sure when we get to heaven.

Many blessings, ALWAYS,

Kevin.