Filled With The Spirit

[Andrew]

Flip special,

I'm sorry about your experience, but as far as me and my church are concerned, and as I've told jhamrick, you are as saved and as holy as any tongue speaker!

yes, the verse "do all speak in tongues" has been used by those "against" tongues (i'm not saying that you are against it). but without going into this area my question wld be: Even if not all are to speak in tongues (althought Paul did say I wish all of you wld speak in tongues) why seek to be in the exclusion grp more than to be in the inclusion grp? afterall all, all the gifts are by grace and God is no respector of persons.

1Co 14:5 Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy.

Now if it is true that not all can receive, then it's not fair for Paul to say the above. how can he want us all to do something that not all of us can do?

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I wish I would be given this gift,
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you certainly can receive. perhaps you are not sure how to go about it? what you want is actually the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. That (Holy Spirit) is the gift actually, tongues is just the "by-product" for lack of a better word.

grace to you

[Debbiek]

Flip Special, You were very offended at the workshop you mentioned because the Holy Spirit was convicting you about the speaker's false doctrine. Jesus Is the answer. Tongues is a gift. BUt when someone says like they did on the chit chat section of "sex Demons" I think it was,tongues is proof of salvation" then we are exalting the gift above the Giver. Thank you for sharing the uneasiness you felt by the power of the Holy Spirit.

[Westminster]

There are, in fact, four basic manifestations of
tongues outlined in the Word——as we are talking about the "indwelling," or "infilling."

1) Tongues for personal edification (1Cor 14.4). This
is the supernatural language the Holy Spirit prays
through us that we can use to pray hour after hour as
we desire. It is the evidence of the baptism in the
Holy Spirit.

2) Tongues for interpretation (1Cor 14.5). This
manifestation of tongues is normally presented in a
public assembly, accompanied by interpretation by the
same or another person.

3) Tongues of deep intercessional groanings (Rom
8.26). This diversification of tongues empowers the
believers to stand in the gap for their own lives,
their families, their church, their city, their
nation, etc. God may also call on them to intercede
for someone or for some situation that is totally
unknown to them.

4) Tongues as a sign to the unbeliever (1Cor 14.22).
This is the phenomenon that took place on the Day of
Pentecost (Acts 2.4-11). It occurs when the Holy
Spirit transcends the intellect and all language
barriers by empowering a believer to preach, teach, or
testify about Christ in some language of men of which
the believer himself has no knowledge.

Okay, Paul prayed in tongues more than anyone (1Cor
14.18). Paul was a Pharisee, a "Hebrew of Hebrews"
(Phil 3.5). That means he began to memorize the OT
scriptures for seven hours a day beginning at the age
of three. All the OT scripture stored inside Paul,
combined with his praying in tongues enabled Paul to
receive so much revelation knowledge for the
foundation of the church. That brought the Old
Covenant together with the NT. Paul was probably the
only apostle who thoroughly understood the
relationship between the Law and our testament with
God through Jesus Christ——the law of the Spirit of
life: "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ
Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death"
(Rom 8.2).

If you look at Romans 7, and 8 you can maybe see the sharp
division of the Old Covenant, and the New Testament,
which hinges on Romans 8.1. Whenever you see the
phrase "in the flesh," as in Romans 7.5, you see that
the motions of sin in the flesh (or, under the law)
brought forth death (see also 7.6). Everyone after
Adam had a dead human spirit (they were spiritually
dead in Adam). But in the second Adam, Jesus Christ we
have a regenerated spirit (by the Holy Ghost); we are
born again, we have recreated spirit, a new nature.
The law had no delivering power. Christ set the
believer free from the law (Gal 3.24-25). That is what
Paul is saying in Romans 8.1, There is no condemnation
to them which are born-again who walk not after the
flesh or under the law, but after the spirit (small
"s"), the newness of the human spirit. Surely, you
must know that Christ fulfilled the law; he was the
first spiritually alive spirit since Adam (the
firstborn from the dead). No one under the OT could
keep the law; they had a dead nature. Now, we have
power over the sin nature because we do have a spirit
that is alive; we are new creatures in Christ (2Cor
5.17).

I emphasize tongues because the Spirit of truth (the Holy Ghost)
will guide you into all truth. Tongues is a revelatory
gift bringing forth the mysteries of God——teaching you
sound doctrine. Ask God to baptize you in the Holy
Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues.

The commandments were given to the Jew. Are you a Jew?
No Greek who came to Christ knew anything of the law;
I'm speaking in general terms. So why would you! I'm
telling you, you can not keep it. No flesh is
justified by the law, but by faith. The theme of
Romans is righteousness——the just shall live by faith
apart from ordinances.

I better quit now, or this will become too long. Hope
you enjoy looking at the above scriptures. Remember
that the time will come when they (apostates) will not
endure sound doctrine (2Tim 4.3).
All the best, Guy