Obama - Communism - and "national socialism"

[Brandan Kraft]

Folks, watch this documentary on the Soviet Union. This should be required viewing material before you walk into the voting booth.

McCain is not a great candidate. But he's not a communist. Obama is. And he must be stopped. Do whatever you can to stop Obama! His election, and I don't say this lightly, may accelerate the soviet march on America. Please prayerfully consider this before you vote. Thanks.

[wildboar]

It kind of depends how you define the terms. I don't think that Obama is an advocate of violent revolution. He does support socialized health care. McCain, Obama, and Bush have all adopted a somewhat communist or at least socialist view of the stock market. The bailout plan would give the government more control over the banking system than exists in some socialist countries.

I was reading an article in the "American Conservative" that was talking about how in some ways the "Old Right" and the "New Left" actually shared quite a bit in common. In at least some ways hippies, rednecks, black panthers, and others have similar interests. If you were to chart out various political positions you might put Ron Paul on the far right end of the line graph and Dennis Kucinich on the other but they are both opposed to the bailout package and opposed to pre-emptive strikes. I disagree with Kucinich on quite a bit as well but regardless of what you may think of their ideological positions guys like Kucinich and Paul stick to their principles while guys like Obama and McCain are constantly monitoring the polls and fighting for more government control. Neither is an agent of change and neither is a maverick.

I'm probably going to suck it up and vote for McCain but I don't think fear-mongering is really going to help. Both McCain and Obama want to go to war with Russia over the itsy bitsy Georgia that does not share our interests at all. If the Russians attack America it will be because we got involved in their regional dispute. America has often flexed its muscles when its neighbors started causing problems and Russia is acting the same way. Russia has no intent of taking over the world...it's just trying to keep its place in Eastern Europe. The real lesson is to be found at the very beginning of the first video. We should never be foolish enough to think that the enemy of our enemy is our friend. If guys like Churchill had just let Russia and Germany destroy one another we never would have had the Soviet Union and the Cold War.

[Brandan Kraft]

I don't think that Obama is an advocate of violent revolution.

I agree - probably not. But he is a mild marxist and he will usher in marxism into this country. His supporters and appointees will soon take him out for not being marxist enough (as seen in Nicaragua in the 80s). Expect many of his leftist cheerleaders in this country to become dissidents and extinguished. I would also expect the black population to be completely wiped out in an American holocaust.

[Robert R. Higby]

There is a little component that no one is talking about in all these discussions--economics!

The most evil superpower ever and always aspires to take over the world militarily, yet I am convinced that the Bible (Dan. 2, Rev. 17,18) assures us that this will never happen. Just as God confused the languages of the Earth at Babel, He will cut short in judgment the ability of evil nations to FUND their totalitarian programs in the long run. This certainly does NOT guarantee that large numbers of people will not suffer--they certainly have in all past history. It DOES mean that no monarchist, communist, fascist, socialist, Islamist, Talmudist, or Romanist will be able to achieve world dominion.

Stalin and Mao both tried and failed miserably to control the rural areas of their respective empires. The government cost of containing and controlling a remote area of a country is exponentially more per person than that of containing and controlling a large urban area. I am certain that the U.S. government, however corrupt it becomes, cannot afford to exterminate rural dissidents like Mao tried to do or ALL rural people like Stalin tried to do!

[Brandan Kraft]

I hope you're right Bob. I sure do..

[marcuslid]

I hope you're right Bob. I sure do..

These verses come to mind when I think of what's going on in the world and it provides comfort.

Malachi 3
16 Then those who feared the LORD spoke to one another,
And the LORD listened and heard them;
So a book of remembrance was written before Him
For those who fear the LORD
And who meditate on His name.
17 “ They shall be Mine,” says the LORD of hosts,

“ On the day that I make them My jewels.
And I will spare them
As a man spares his own son who serves him.”
18 Then you shall again discern
Between the righteous and the wicked,
Between one who serves God
And one who does not serve Him.

[wildboar]

I don't think it's realistic to jump from a plan for socialized medicine and redistribution of wealth to Russian or Chinese communism or to Nicaragua. There are a lot of differences in culture, ethnic groups, etc. We might look to the North at Canada and be able to see higher taxes and less liberty in our future. Revolutionary communism seems to take root when people are starving and being abused. We're paying farmers to destroy crops. Most of America probably doesn't like Bush and a decent chunk of them would like to see socialized medicine but everyone is pretty subdued by their televisions. I just don't think it's realistic to expect a communist uprising. Even if they managed to kill Obama (which seems unlikely) you still have a whole lot of other people to contend with. The progressive Democrats of West Michigan meet in my town and they were pretty gung-ho Kucinich supporters but now they are supporting Obama. Meanwhile Obama is becoming more and more centrist. Both candidates are talking about expanding the military and invading more countries. War always creates an opportunity for government to have an excuse to take more freedoms away from us. Marxism could happen I suppose but I think it would take a lot more time--I don't think it's going to happen during the next administration. What I'm more concerned about is the government telling me I can't homeschool or something of that nature.

My views align most closely with the Constitution Party but they start with some false presuppositions such as the idea that America was founded as a Christian nation. I think what we really need is a "personhood" party. We need a party that will recognize and promote the idea that human beings of all ages, ethnic groups, and economic classes are people and should be treated as such. Human beings from Iraq and Iran are people too. Human beings who work at Exxon Mobil are people and so are Democrats and Republicans. I think this allows for a genuine Christian approach to our problems without necessarily framing it as such. It has the rhetorical advantage of being able to be spoken of as a civil rights issue.

[lionovjudah]

I would also expect the black population to be completely wiped out in an American holocaust.

What do you mean by this statement? Is everything ok with the water in Missouri?

[MCoving]

Oh... how sad... I was talking to my dad last night and he's pretty sure that Obama is going to win presidency. That would not be good!! I really am not looking forward to him being our President. Honestly would take George Bush over him anyday! And we all know the mistakes Bush has made. But seriously lets hope for the best, hopefully some people can pull together and start turning things around for McCain. I hope more than ever that my vote will count this year for something! Otherwise hold on to your seats because its going to be rocky few years with Obama running our country!!! EEEK!

[Brandan Kraft]

I still think McCain will win...

[Robert R. Higby]

I still am not going to predict a winner because I cannot know how the Lord will turn hearts on election day--especially in the midst of the current situation. But both President Bush and McCain himself engaged in activities in the last 2 weeks that, by all historical standards of measuring how elections are won, lost the election for John McCain big time.

I agree that Obama is a socialist with many Marxist values and ideas. So were George McGovern, Jimmy Carter (though 'evangelicals' coudn't see it at all at the time), Walter Mondale, Michael Dukakis, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and John Kerry. If someone decides to vote for McCain because he is NOT someone with Marxist values and that is enough, I am not going to challenge that. But consider that even the income tax in the U.S. is patterned after the system of aggregated taxation based on annual salary proposed by Karl Marx!

[Brandan Kraft]

McCain would have it in the bag had he opposed the bailout! I agree Bob!

[wildboar]

McCain would have it in the bag had he opposed the bailout! I agree Bob!

Pat Buchanan had a very good article on this.

PJB: Can the MARs Save McCain?
Posted By Linda On October 3, 2008 @ 1:04 am In PJB Columns | 43 Comments
By Patrick J. Buchanan
John McCain may have just let slip his last best chance to be president of the United States.
When he flew back to Washington to address the banking crisis, McCain could have seized the hottest issue in America by taking the side of his countrymen who were enraged by the Paulson Plan to bail out a power elite whose greed and stupidity had caused a financial disaster unequaled since the Crash of ‘29.
But rather than denounce the Bush-Paulson-Pelosi-Barney Frank plan as a rip-off of taxpayers, lacerate Obama and Co. for bedding down with the kleptocrats of Fannie Mae, and advancing his own McCain plan, McCain played the establishment man. He sought modest concessions for the Republican view, urged swift passage and left town.
Then the House, in an astounding act of defiance, voted to kill the bill, triggering a trillion-dollar run on Wall Street.
Working with Democrats rather than battling the establishment has ever been McCain’s way. And, undeniably, his deserved reputation for bipartisanship helped him to get where he is.
He campaigns proudly on his capacity to work with liberals and has McCain-Feingold, McCain-Lieberman and McCain-Kennedy to prove it. But as George H.W. Bush and Gerald Ford discovered, the politics of compromise and consensus does not always produce the best result.
The tax hike of 1990 may have destroyed Bush I’s presidency, and Ford’s choice of John Paul Stevens for the Supreme Court, who was approved unanimously, helped propel the Ronald Reagan challenge.
Philosophically and culturally, we are a divided people. Across the spectrum there are us-versus-them folks who see politics as a zero-sum game between Middle America and a global elite. Below the upper-income brackets and along the center-right are the folks the late columnist Sam Francis, citing sociologist Donald Warren’s 1976 study, called Middle American Radicals.
Nixon brought the “MARs” to national attention when, as David Broder then wrote, the “breaking of the president” was underway in October 1969. Nixon went on television and called for the Great Silent Majority to stand with him against antiwar demonstrators and rioters in the streets, and for “peace with honor” in Vietnam.
When TV anchors trashed Nixon’s speech, he unleashed Spiro Agnew on the establishment media.
No White House had ever before attacked the networks or national press for ideological and political bias.
In a month, Nixon hit 68 percent approval, the apogee of his presidency, and Agnew was the third most admired man in America.
Reagan, by opposing the surrender of the Panama Canal to a leftist dictator, also rallied the MARs. He lost that battle, but his consolation prize was the GOP nomination and the presidency.
In recent years, we have seen the MARs rise again and again in roaring rebellion. But, invariably, when these rebellions occur, John McCain may be found inside the castle walls.
In 2007, McCain rushed to Washington to support George Bush, Ted Kennedy, Bill Clinton, The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post in the drive to grant amnesty to 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens. A national firestorm killed the bill and almost killed McCain’s campaign.
A year earlier, a MARs uprising killed the Dubai ports deal.
The power elite was stunned by the explosion of outrage over the leasing of six U.S. ports to Arab sheiks. Nationalism remains a more potent force than globalism, and not only in America.
In Clinton’s first term, McCain stood with the establishment for NAFTA, GATT, the WTO and the Mexican bailout. Middle America opposed them all.
In the past decade, the MARs have opposed free-trade deals, and lost, but won virtually every referendum on gay marriage, affirmative action or welfare for illegal aliens. Invariably, the MARs are portrayed as bigots, nativists, xenophobes, protectionists and isolationists, and their leaders as demagogues. In McCain’s words from 2000, they are “agents of intolerance.”
This is fine if you wish to be beloved in this city, but it may be a fatal impediment if you want to be president.
McCain’s problem is that, in 2008, when his old press idolaters have found a new favorite, these are the people who hold his key to the presidency. They are the Democrats who voted against Barack Obama by wide margins in Pennsylvania and Ohio and landslide margins in West Virginia and Kentucky.
These Democrats can still win this race for John McCain. Many admire his war record. But not only is he not one of them, he has taken pride and pleasure in having been their great antagonist.
Could McCain win them back in five weeks? Perhaps. Is he willing to do what is necessary to win them back? Probably not. It would go against his instincts and his image of himself.
The issues that move these folks are not just the $700 billion bailout of Gordon Gekko’s comrades, but the invasion of America from Mexico, the export of their jobs, factories and future to Asia, and the gnawing fear that the country they grew up in is being sacrificed for the benefit of an internationalist elite.

[Robert R. Higby]

The thing that mystifies me is this: McCain endured extreme torture in Vietnam rather than cave in to enemy demands for sharing U.S. intelligence. That was a thousand times harder (and much, much more) than standing true on this one and on SO many other past bills for which he has caved in to lobbyists. In spite of never demanding pork-barrel spending for his own district, he has continuously voted for budget items that extended it to OTHER districts--to please lobbyists. WHY???

[wildboar]

The thing that mystifies me is this: McCain endured extreme torture in Vietnam rather than cave in to enemy demands for sharing U.S. intelligence. That was a thousand times harder (and much, much more) than standing true on this one and on SO many other past bills for which he has caved in to lobbyists. In spite of never demanding pork-barrel spending for his own district, he has continuously voted for budget items that extended it to OTHER districts--to please lobbyists. WHY???

I think it is because there are real soldiers and John McCain was a real soldier. What there are not, are real politicians. There are people engaged in marketing posing as politicians. And there are no real conservatives that exist in popular American politics. There is no real conservative party. The parties disagree with each other very little. It takes someone with a very solid and deep political philosophy to stand up and defend his position and not get absorbed into the system and I don't think we have seen anyone like that for a long time. Every so-called politician has to market himself in such a way that he can appeal to the party elites that provide the big money and to the people at the party base that provide the votes. Substance is useless in such a system.

[Saint Nicholas]

Pat Buchanan had a very good article on this.

Charles....Thank you for posting Pat's article. I like (politically that is) Pat.

In Pat's last bid for the presidency, I believe he had won the New Hampshire primary. When he was posing a real threat. The "establishment" had to crucify him. His own republican party turned on him and joined in with the slanderous rhetoric of the democrats. The main attack was that he was an "isolationist".

The majority of the people in this country have absolutely no clue as to what a constitutional America is all about. They have been dumbed down by the very schools and institutions that they have paid for with their tax dollars.

America is going to hell very quickly. This evil grip that the world bankers have on this country can only be broken when the people of this country stop voting for Dem's or Repub's, and oust the criminals who really control both parties. Our current politicians are spineless whores who sell themselves to the highest bidder. They are no better than the pulpit whores who have sold out the true Gospel centuries ago.

God's judgements are pounding on this nation moment by moment. The fields are ripe for the harvest. The only solution is for our triumphant King Jesus to return and usher in the New Heaven and Earth.

Come quickly Lord Jesus,

Nicholas

[wildboar]

All the way back in the 1950's the Republican party was viewed as isolationist even though it had as part of its platform even back then to have military bases throughout the world. During the Clinton administration there seemed to be a revival of the non-interventionist movement within the Republican party. Bush Jr. even ran on a platform of a more humble foreign policy. But now the Republicans are trying to outdo the Democrats in war-mongering. There appears to be no limit to the smallness, poverty, and lack of technology in a country that Bush is willing to compare with Hitler and teach that they will take over the world.

I find myself embracing the paleoconservative position. But I would much rather read articles written by libertarians and even those on the far left than the nonsense that comes out of the New Republic and National Review.

[trav]

St. Nicholas: The majority of the people in this country have absolutely no clue as to what a constitutional America is all about. They have been dumbed down by the very schools and institutions that they have paid for with their tax dollars.

America is going to hell very quickly. This evil grip that the world bankers have on this country can only be broken when the people of this country stop voting for Dem's or Repub's, and oust the criminals who really control both parties. Our current politicians are spineless whores who sell themselves to the highest bidder. They are no better than the pulpit whores who have sold out the true Gospel centuries ago.

God's judgements are pounding on this nation moment by moment. The fields are ripe for the harvest. The only solution is for our triumphant King Jesus to return and usher in the New Heaven and Earth.

Come quickly Lord Jesus,



Amen!

[Robert R. Higby]

The parties disagree with each other very little. It takes someone with a very solid and deep political philosophy to stand up and defend his position and not get absorbed into the system and I don't think we have seen anyone like that for a long time. Every so-called politician has to market himself in such a way that he can appeal to the party elites that provide the big money and to the people at the party base that provide the votes. Substance is useless in such a system.

Strangely, in listening to one of Bill Clinton's recent speeches, this is exactly how he stated that politics should work in America--a two-party system with very little differences between them on any issue of substance. For me, this is only a window-dressing variation from the one-party communist, fascist, or monarchist system.

It is clear that the two presidential candidates are also trying outdo one another on who can offer the most clever addition to New Deal socialism. Last night we witnessed McCain's proposal that the government should pay for everyone's loss of home equity who bought at the wrong time.

[wildboar]

The more I think about this, the more the idea of a conservative America seems to be an impossibility. How could a country that started by means of the liberal concept of revolution ever be considered conservative?