It is only a matter of time before the Supreme Court rules the Constitution unConstitutional. Hmmm.......
It is only a matter of time before the Supreme Court rules the Constitution unConstitutional. Hmmm.......
Human compassion is deceptive and impotent. When we set that up as the standard of
judgment, even God will appear to lack sympathy. ......"Better is open rebuke than hidden love" -- Love is bold to speak the truth in open rebuke for the benefit of someone who needs the correction. Each time I speak this way to a person, I risk losing his respect and support, but I will do it because I love him. "There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear" (1 John 4:18), Vincent Cheung
That's exactly what California's supreme court is in the process of trying do with prop 8. It doesn't matter what the constitution says, there are always others who know what's best for the rest of us.Originally Posted by rlhuckle
Once they do their dirty work it's only a matter of time that overturns by the court is common place.
IMO they are are a bunch of gutless spineless rat ba$tards!
Isaiah 45:7: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Exactly Nicholas! I posted the link to the whole text...the whole darn thing is vague! A lot of pieces are coming together and it don't look good.
Yes--I agree wholeheartedly! Homosexual unions have been redefined from a moral issue into a rights issue that would actually and effectively give one small group the rights to enforce their own perverse moral code upon all others indiscriminantly! The ludicrousity (is this a word?) of it all is mind-boggling!
Exactly; the Constitution will end up meaning whatever the liberal and anti-Christ judges want to redefine the terms to mean....
Yea, but God made them that way for our benefit....(doesn't make it any easier to swallow)....They may sleep well tonight but eternity awaits....
Human compassion is deceptive and impotent. When we set that up as the standard of
judgment, even God will appear to lack sympathy. ......"Better is open rebuke than hidden love" -- Love is bold to speak the truth in open rebuke for the benefit of someone who needs the correction. Each time I speak this way to a person, I risk losing his respect and support, but I will do it because I love him. "There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear" (1 John 4:18), Vincent Cheung
Thank you Roger - I look forward to that day of JUSTICE!
Ditch the Garbage! - Too many people are proud of their humility - I, on the other hand, am not humble - and am proud of it!
"Luther's New Testament was so much multiplied and spread by printers that even tailors and shoemakers, yea, even women and ignorant persons who had accepted this new Lutheran gospel, and could read a little German, studied it with the greatest avidity as the fountain of all truth. Some committed it to memory, and carried it about in their bosom. In a few months such people deemed themselves so learned that they were not ashamed to dispute about faith and the gospel not only with Catholic laymen, but even with priests and monks and doctors of divinity." - A complaint by German humanist Johann Cochlaeus.
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I remain unconvinced that the quote assumes the basic goodness of man in contrast to the biblical doctrine of man's depravity. Although Lincoln was a universalist, his many sayings during his presidency evidence that he recognized the basic evil of human nature. A statement of this sort that he made cannot be interpreted in the context of 20th/21st century political statements by populast politicians on the inherent goodness of man (i.e., on Reagan's tomb is one of his own quotes stating "I believe that man is good").
Every generation has to fight against severe attemps to destroy fundamental liberties of conscience and economics. The Federalists (including Washington, Adams) tried to defeat the very constitutional principles they had espoused in the revolution as soon as they were in office (i.e., the attempt at a fascist-style control of the liquor industry resulting in the whiskey rebellion and declaration of martial law). I do not see how things are different in essence today.
At any time in history, God may remove all restraints of sin and plunge major populations into incomparable evil. On that point we all agree. Where we probably disagree is the relative perspective of the evils of our age compared to those of the past (EXCEPT on the matter of the exploding increase in homosexual perversion).
Now see here how sleepy-headed all our opponents are, and how little it helps a man to rely on the ancient fathers, for all their repute down the course of the ages! Were they not all equally blind to, yes, and heeldess of, Paul's clearest and and plainest words?
--Martin Luther
I don't find it hard to believe that Lincoln would contradict basic theological propositions (that were most certainly recognized more in his time) in one statement and agree with them in another. In fact it's quite common to hear political figures parrot things they've heard and read in order to sound intelligent or give an appearance of wisdom. Yes that's a bit cynical, but I think there's a bit of truth to it.
Don't you thing globalization changes things a bit?
Agreed
There is indeed a moral decline in our country that surpasses that of the past. What was taboo yesterday is common practice today, even celebrated in sitcoms. Also it seems that education, or the lack there of, has had a huge impact in the moral and 'spiritual' decline of our country.
Does anyone have sources for some of Lincolns quotes/writings showing his belief in the ultimate providence of God during the war? I remember reading them somehwere but can no longer find them.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law.GALATIANS 5:22
Here is one quote of Lincoln: Slavery is founded in the selfishness of man's nature -- opposition to it is in his love of justice. These principles are an eternal antagonism; and when brought into collision so fiercely, as slavery extension brings them, shocks, and throes, and convulsions must ceaselessly follow. Repeal the Missouri Compromise -- repeal all compromises -- repeal the declaration of independence -- repeal all past history, you still can not repeal human nature. It still will be the abundance of man's heart, that slavery extension is wrong; and out of the abundance of his heart, his mouth will continue to speak.
--October 16, 1854 Speech at Peoria
Here Lincoln admits of the depravity of mankind--but many believe that he fails to confess the theological principle of TOTAL DEPRAVITY. The issue is whether the 'love of justice' referred to is caused by the restraining power of the Holy Spirit, a desire for self-preservation and comfort (which in and of itself is still sinful), or some inherent goodness of man that conflicts with the inherent evil of man.
There are many websites abundant with Lincoln quotes. An example:
http://showcase.netins.net/web/creat...hes/quotes.htm
The above site questions whether the very quote we are discussing was actually ever cited by Lincoln in his speeches or letters.
Anyway, I'm happy with letting the issue rest.
To answer Mike's question--no, I don't believe that globalization changes things at all (as evidenced, for example, by the world events of the past few days). Globalization has failed to provide the economic power necessary to implement broad police-state totalitarianism. We even now have a resumption of the cold war with Russia. I know that others here disagree with me. But I have sound reasons for my convictions on this issue.
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Now see here how sleepy-headed all our opponents are, and how little it helps a man to rely on the ancient fathers, for all their repute down the course of the ages! Were they not all equally blind to, yes, and heeldess of, Paul's clearest and and plainest words?
--Martin Luther
Ill see what I can find Bob. I cannot remember where I read them. He was writing to someone, and was clear on his thoughts of the absolute providence of God concerning the war, it was interesting.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law.GALATIANS 5:22
I agree with this. All of it.
I must have missed this post, but I would say this echos my heart too Nickso.................Rev. 22:20
Jn 14:23-24, (NASB)
Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. "He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, BUT The Father's Who sent Me.
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