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    Hey Jude, don't make it bad...

    Here is my translation of the book of Jude. It is based on the 1904 Antoniades text approved by the Patriarch of Constantinople and is a good representation of the text that has found widespread use throughout the churches throughout the centuries. I consulted several lexicons and commentaries. Jude quotes from some non-Biblical literature and so how you understand the source literature will make a difference in how you translate Jude. Anyhow, here is my translation. Please feel free to comment--especially negative comments (as long as they are well-reasoned) would be appreciated.

    JUDE

    Jude, Jesus Christ's slave, and brother of James, To those who are invited, sanctified in God the Father, and kept for Jesus Christ: 2 Mercy and peace and love be multiplied to y o u.
    3 Beloved, while making every effort to write to y o u concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to y o u, strongly urging y o u to contend earnestly for the faith which was once and for all handed down to the saints. 4 For certain people slipped in stealthily, who long ago were written about as designated for this judgment, impious people, who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord Jesus Christ. 5 But I want to remind y o u, though y o u have been informed of all things once and for all, that the Lord, having saved a people out of the land of Egypt, on the second occasion destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And angels who did not keep their first place, but deserted their own dwelling, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness until the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in the same way as these, having indulged in illicit sexual relations and gone after other flesh, are set forth as an example, undergoing the punishment of eternal fire. 8 But in the same way too, these people, relying on their dreams, defile the flesh and reject Lordship and slander the glorious ones. 9 But when Michael the archangel, disputing with the devil, was arguing about the body of Moses, he did not dare not to bring an accusation of slander against him, but said, "May the Lord rebuke you!" 10 But these people slander whatever they do not understand, while by the things they do understand, instinctively, like unreasoning animals, in these things they are destroyed. 11 Woe to them! For they walked in the way of Cain, they plunged into Balaam's error for profit, and through the controversy of Korah they perished.
    12 These people are hidden rocks in the sea in your love-feasts, feasting with y o u without reverence, shepherding only themselves; waterless clouds, blown along by the winds; late autumn trees not bearing fruit, twice dead, uprooted; 13 wild waves of the sea, causing their shameful things to splash up like foam; wandering stars, for whom the gloom of the darkness has been kept forever. 14 It was also about these that Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, "Behold, the Lord comes with tens of thousands of His saints, 15 to execute judgment upon all and to convict all the impious among them of all their impious works which they committed impiously, and of all the hard things which impious sinners spoke against Him." 16 These people are grumblers, complaining about their lot, walking according to their desires; and their mouth utters puffed-up words, showing partiality for the sake of an advantage. 17 But y o u, beloved, remember the sayings which were proclaimed beforehand by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ: 18 They were telling y o u that in the last time there will be mockers walking according to their own desires for impieties. 19 These people are the ones causing divisions, who follow mere natural instincts, not having the Spirit. 20 But y o u, beloved, building yourselves up on the foundation of y o ur most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 keep yourselves in the love of God, looking forward to the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ that leads to life eternal. 22 And have mercy on those who are uncertain; 23 but others save with fear, snatching them out of the fire, hating even the tunic that has been soiled by the flesh.
    24 Now to the One who is able to keep them from stumbling, and to present them without blemish in the presence of His glory with a piercing exclamation, 25 To the only wise God our Savior, is glory and majesty, power and control, both now and into all eternity. Amen.
    For whatever strength of arm he may have who swims in the open sea, yet in time he is carried away and sunk, mastered by the greatness of its waves. Need then there is that we be in the ship, that is, that we be carried in the wood, that we may be able to cross this sea. Now this Wood in which our weakness is carried is the Cross of the Lord, by which we are signed, and delivered from the dangerous tempests of this world.--St. Augustine

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    Re: Hey Jude, don't make it bad...

    Quote Originally Posted by wildboar View Post
    Here is my translation of the book of Jude. It is based on the 1904 Antoniades text approved by the Patriarch of Constantinople and is a good representation of the text that has found widespread use throughout the churches throughout the centuries. I consulted several lexicons and commentaries. Jude quotes from some non-Biblical literature and so how you understand the source literature will make a difference in how you translate Jude. Anyhow, here is my translation. Please feel free to comment--especially negative comments (as long as they are well-reasoned) would be appreciated.

    JUDE

    Jude, Jesus Christ's slave, and brother of James, To those who are invited, sanctified in God the Father, and kept for Jesus Christ: 2 Mercy and peace and love be multiplied to y o u.
    3 Beloved, while making every effort to write to y o u concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to y o u, strongly urging y o u to contend earnestly for the faith which was once and for all handed down to the saints. 4 For certain people slipped in stealthily, who long ago were written about as designated for this judgment, impious people, who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord Jesus Christ. 5 But I want to remind y o u, though y o u have been informed of all things once and for all, that the Lord, having saved a people out of the land of Egypt, on the second occasion destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And angels who did not keep their first place, but deserted their own dwelling, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness until the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in the same way as these, having indulged in illicit sexual relations and gone after other flesh, are set forth as an example, undergoing the punishment of eternal fire. 8 But in the same way too, these people, relying on their dreams, defile the flesh and reject Lordship and slander the glorious ones. 9 But when Michael the archangel, disputing with the devil, was arguing about the body of Moses, he did not dare not to bring an accusation of slander against him, but said, "May the Lord rebuke you!" 10 But these people slander whatever they do not understand, while by the things they do understand, instinctively, like unreasoning animals, in these things they are destroyed. 11 Woe to them! For they walked in the way of Cain, they plunged into Balaam's error for profit, and through the controversy of Korah they perished.
    12 These people are hidden rocks in the sea in your love-feasts, feasting with y o u without reverence, shepherding only themselves; waterless clouds, blown along by the winds; late autumn trees not bearing fruit, twice dead, uprooted; 13 wild waves of the sea, causing their shameful things to splash up like foam; wandering stars, for whom the gloom of the darkness has been kept forever. 14 It was also about these that Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, "Behold, the Lord comes with tens of thousands of His saints, 15 to execute judgment upon all and to convict all the impious among them of all their impious works which they committed impiously, and of all the hard things which impious sinners spoke against Him." 16 These people are grumblers, complaining about their lot, walking according to their desires; and their mouth utters puffed-up words, showing partiality for the sake of an advantage. 17 But y o u, beloved, remember the sayings which were proclaimed beforehand by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ: 18 They were telling y o u that in the last time there will be mockers walking according to their own desires for impieties. 19 These people are the ones causing divisions, who follow mere natural instincts, not having the Spirit. 20 But y o u, beloved, building yourselves up on the foundation of y o ur most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 keep yourselves in the love of God, looking forward to the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ that leads to life eternal. 22 And have mercy on those who are uncertain; 23 but others save with fear, snatching them out of the fire, hating even the tunic that has been soiled by the flesh.
    24 Now to the One who is able to keep them from stumbling, and to present them without blemish in the presence of His glory with a piercing exclamation, 25 To the only wise God our Savior, is glory and majesty, power and control, both now and into all eternity. Amen.
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    Re: Hey Jude, don't make it bad...

    Hey Chuck,

    Where you translate this in verse 9:

    Quote Originally Posted by Wildboar
    he did not dare not to bring an accusation of slander against him, but said, "May the Lord rebuke you!"
    I would say this is bad english grammar. I am sure it might be accurate when going from the greek but I'd think you'd need to follow english grammar rules and not have a double negative. I am not great in greek so I might be wrong. I just wanted to point it out because double negatives drive me nuts.
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    Re: Hey Jude, don't make it bad...

    Quote Originally Posted by forester
    I would say this is bad english grammar. I am sure it might be accurate when going from the greek but I'd think you'd need to follow english grammar rules and not have a double negative. I am not great in greek so I might be wrong. I just wanted to point it out because double negatives drive me nuts.
    It's actually both inaccurate and bad English. Thanks for catching it. I got caught up in the whole issue of whether the verse was saying that Michael did not slander the devil or did not accuse the devil of slander that I competely missed this typo.
    For whatever strength of arm he may have who swims in the open sea, yet in time he is carried away and sunk, mastered by the greatness of its waves. Need then there is that we be in the ship, that is, that we be carried in the wood, that we may be able to cross this sea. Now this Wood in which our weakness is carried is the Cross of the Lord, by which we are signed, and delivered from the dangerous tempests of this world.--St. Augustine

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