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    Re: The Greatest of the Reformed Supralapsarians

    Here is another article worth reading. I will stop here for a while. There is a purpose for me in publishing this articles and it is based on my need to "revive" in me the REFORMING mindset, not to say SPIRIT of Luther.

    http://www.presenttruthmag.com/archive/XXXII/32-6.htm

    read the entire article and here is some of it (not a small excerpt)

    "There is compelling evidence for this in the account of what took place at the Diet of Regensburg in 1541. Charles V was more than anxious to mend the theological rift which had been threatening the unity of his empire for twenty years. In order to heal the wound, he appointed three theologians from each side to sit down together and draft a theological statement which would be acceptable to both Protestants and Catholics. The emperor had high hopes that a reconciliation could be achieved. His hopes sprang from the fact that certain

    Roman theologians had begun to say that Luther's doctrine of justification was "a part of that truth which they had always held and taught." The theologians affirmed that there was "no real, or, at least, no radical, difference between the two parties, but only such as might be easily adjusted by mutual explanation and concession."

    The foremost advocate of this conciliatory approach was Cardinal Gasparo Contarini, the papal legate in Germany. Contarini had for some time openly expressed his view that "the Lutheran concern for justification by faith was in fact the essence of the Catholic faith also." Protestantism, in other words, was essentially Catholic! He believed that the Protestant schism had been caused "by a misunderstanding of Catholicism." To do away with this understanding, which was preventing the Protestants from appreciating the "real" Catholicism, was his great hope.

    At the diet of Regensburg, Contarini worked closely with the three Catholic theologians appointed by Charles in an attempt to draft a statement on justification which would be acceptable to the Protestants. As the discussion proceeded, it became obvious that the Catholics were willing to make "large concessions . . . in favor of the Protestant doctrine." The article finally agreed to by the Catholics is a clear renouncement of semiPelagianism. It confesses that man's salvation does not depend on his strength but results solely from God's grace. The two main characteristics of the article are "an insistence on the entirely gratuitous character of our justification" and, secondly, "on the impossibility of driving a wedge between faith and love."36 It was agreed that sinful humanity can be justified only through an extrinsic, imputed righteousness. Whether this applies to regenerate as well as unregenerate men was left unclear. (The full text of the article appears in an appendix at the end of this essay.)

    The article was initially accepted by the three Lutheran representatives. It was generally felt that nothing in the agreed article was Incompatible with the Protestant view. When John Calvin heard about the agreement, he wrote to William Farel of his great amazement that the Catholics had conceded so much. He confessed that he could find nothing in the document that was necessarily contrary to Protestant theology although he regretted that the exposition could not have been more explicit.

    Consequently, it came as a surprise to many when Luther vigorously rejected the Regensburg agreement. Wrote the Reformer:

    Popish writers pretend that they have always taught, what we now teach, concerning faith and good works, and that they are unjustly accused of the contrary: thus the wolf puts on the sheep's skin till he gains admission into the fold.

    Luther, and the Reformation as a whole, rejected the Regensburg article because it was felt that the wording was dangerously ambiguous. . . .
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    Re: The Greatest of the Reformed Supralapsarians

    "It is my opinion that if Luther were alive today he would be posting on this forum agreeing to much of what we believe."

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    Re: The Greatest of the Reformed Supralapsarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert R. Higby View Post
    Johannes Maccovius was never officially condemned in his views by Dort, yet he is constantly condemned as a 'hyper-Calvinist' and heretic by other 'Reformed' theologians. We need to study this man's life and contributions a lot more; I have not yet found any of his writings in English.

    http://www.prca.org/books/portraits/macco.htm
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    Isaiah 45:7: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

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    Thanks Greg, that's great!
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    Re: The Greatest of the Reformed Supralapsarians

    I will publish this here because I think is pertinent. Any other moderator can migrate it to another more appropriate thread:

    This is a quote from the Book In Christ Alone, Sinclair Ferguson, page 149, Chapter 42:

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    THE GREATEST OF ALL PROTESTANT HERESIES

    Cardinal Robert Bellarmine (1542-1621) was a figure not to be taken lightly. He was Pope Clement VIII's personal theologian and one of the most able figures in the Counter-Reformation movement within sixteenth-century Roman Catholicism.

    How would you answer the exam question? What is the greatest of all HERESIES? Perhaps Justification by Faith? Perhaps Scripture alone, or one of the other Reformation watchwords?

    Those answers make perfectly good and logical sense. But none of them completes Bellarmine's sentence.

    He wrote: "The GREATEST OF ALL PROTESTANT HERESIES IS ASSURANCE."
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    Re: The Greatest of the Reformed Supralapsarians

    Quote Originally Posted by GraceAmbassador View Post
    I will publish this here because I think is pertinent. Any other moderator can migrate it to another more appropriate thread:

    This is a quote from the Book In Christ Alone, Sinclair Ferguson, page 149, Chapter 42:

    (All emphasis are mine)

    THE GREATEST OF ALL PROTESTANT HERESIES



    Thank you Cardinal! You can call me a heretic now!

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    Re: The Greatest of the Reformed Supralapsarians

    You have GOT TO BE KIDDING ME! "The greatest of all protestant heresies is assurance"?!!
    I left the institutional church because there was no assurance, I dont believe that anyone except true believers understand what it means to be assured of ones salvation. You know how many times I doubted whether I was a child of God in the past? It wasn't until God brought me to the Truth and opened my eyes that I can truly believe in my heart and even feel that I am His, and nothing will change that. There are even reformed believers who think that assurance is based off of the good works that the Spirit does. I remember having this same conversation years ago on the forum about assurance. People were trying to say we know that we are His because of the good works that the Spirit does. Id answer well how much good works, once, twice, a hundred times? What does it take to know one is a child of God if it has to do with works?

    Assurance is knowing that we are God's child and nothing will change that. Assurance is waking up in the morning and thanking our Father for adopting us. Assurance is just like one being assured that your dad and mom are your biological parents. I am sure that God the Father is my Dad, He is family and I am His. Nothing is going to change that, whether I see the Spirit working in my life or not. Half the time Spirit is working and Im so stupid I dont even realize. LOL Im a babe, I haven't grown into the women God wants me to be. Im constantly learning and struggling with the flesh, repenting, and being a dumb donkey I do it over again. I cant get it right.. but the beauty of our Father, is He gives grace, forgiveness, and mercy. He is patient with us, and loving. And no matter what my life looks like today, tomorrow, or how it was in the past.. I can rest assured that each day I will wake up knowing that I am God's child, and I can go to bed knowing that I am God's child.

    There is beauty and peace when one can truly understand the blessed assurance that our Father has given us.
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