Did the Elect PREEXIST?

[GraceAmbassador]

I have had a bit of a problem with a group who call themselves reformed, in Brazil but in their core beliefs, on number 2, they say that

the Elect preexisted as an angelic being before God waiting to be incarnated to live here on the earth to Glorify God.

This is a poor translation but this is what they mean.

I researched the net googling everything about the issue and the closest I found was this:

http://www.abc-coggc.org/jrad/volume...eexistence.pdf

I think this guy is attempting to defend the pre-existence of Christ and getting carried away with it, but it is something interesting.

I placed this question on F.B. to some trusted friends and am expecting an answer, but does anyone know of any credible teacher, past or present that teaches the preexistence of the elect as stated in the Brazilian church as translated above?

Thanks!

[GraceAmbassador]

By the way, I know that the Mormons believe such a thing. I am not concerned with the Mormon and their pre-mortal existence. I am concerned about Reformed people teaching that we were angelic beings before we incarnated and were sent to earth...

Milt

[GraceAmbassador]

Well, guys, I read the beliefs of the writer of the link I put it... ignore him. He is an anti-trinitarian cook. His article tries to prove that Christ as Jesus did not pre-exist with the Father. I could not edit the post. Again, I am having difficulty in navigating here and end up desisting.

I would like however, to know if any credible reformer believes that "the elect pre-existed as an angel before creation".

Milt

[Brandan Kraft]

I've never heard of such an animal... Sorry....

[GraceAmbassador]

I've never heard of such an animal... Sorry....

Great! That's exactly the answer I would expect because simply there is no one who teaches such a thing. This guy is Brazil blew himself out of his own rocket... And he has about 30 thousand members and his church all over the world, including here in Florida!

Milt

[GraceAmbassador]

I will post one more link and go quietly in the night. This is from Origen, the "so called" Church Father: (Check the paragraph: The Preexistence of the Soul, which is also different from what the heretic in Brazil teaches, as this one teaches that the souls of the elect were angelic beings waiting to incarnate).

http://www.ovrlnd.com/Universalism/Origen.html

Thanks!

[Robert R. Higby]

Origen taught the transmigration of souls, i.e., reincarnation. Between incarnations the soul waits in the interim for the beginning of the next earthly life.

A few predestinarian teachers (including Augustine and Charles Hodge) have taught infusionism, which is the idea that God creates a soul in sinless perfection outside the womb and then infuses it into the womb (where it supposedly then becomes tainted with sin by biological inheritance).