Jesus' resurrection was not in a 'glorified' body!

[Odyssey]

Greetings!

I am sure that the subject will get some attention. Let me state 'for the record' that I do not believe that Jesus was resurrected in a 'glorified' body. I believe that his body was the same as the one crucified. It had no 'supernatural' powers different than before his death. Everything was the same.

I'll will wait patiently for comment.

Grace to you,

od

[HIS]

Originally posted by Odyssey
"...Let me state 'for the record' that I do not believe that Jesus was resurrected in a 'glorified' body. I believe that his body was the same as the one crucified. It had no 'supernatural' powers different than before his death. Everything was the same."

Hello Odyssey,

I must say, your topics and threads are always interesting and thought provoking. I think that is great.

I had one response in mind, but then I realized you used the words "body" and "it" in your statement above.

So, before I get too far into this, I want to make sure I understand that you are only speaking of the body itself and not the one inside the body.

If this is what you mean, then I don't know that I have much concern with your statement.

· Mary didn't seem to notice.

· The two gentlemen on the road to Emmaus didn't seem to notice anything different.

· By the words of Jesus we know he had flesh and bones like anyone else after His resurrection.

· He probably didn’t look much different than Lazarus at his resurrection.

· The fact that He “vanished” in one place (Luke 24:31) and suddenly appeared before others (verse 36) is no different than those in the Scripture without glorified bodies who did the same (i.e., Philip in Acts 8)

I also want to make sure I understand that you are not suggesting that you don’t agree that the man, Christ Jesus, was no longer able to see death. Would you agree that even though His body was still “flesh and bones,” there was no way it could be (any longer) put to death?

Your thoughts…

HIS

[Odyssey]

HIS,

Yes, you are correct. He could not die physically again.

Concerning the statements regarding his resurrected body: That is the direction I am heading.

Grace to you,

od

[Brandan Kraft]

Quick question Jak,

How do you interpret this passage: Rev 1:12-18, (NAS), Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands; (13) and in the middle of the lampstands I saw one like a son of man, clothed in a robe reaching to the feet, and girded across His chest with a golden sash. (14) His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire. (15) His feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been made to glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters. (16) In His right hand He held seven stars, and out of His mouth came a sharp two-edged sword; and His face was like the sun shining in its strength. (17) When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. And He placed His right hand on me, saying, "Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, (18) and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.

[Odyssey]

Kermie,

This is a vision of Jesus in the spiritual realm. His 'body' would have to be different to 'live' there.

Grace to you my friend,

jak

[countrymouse]

Good morning!

This is an interesting discussion. Question for you, Odyssey:

Given what's been said thus far, what happened to Jesus' body at his ascension?

[Brandan Kraft]

Ok, gotcha...

I agree with your original claim...

Brandan

[Brandan Kraft]

Oh, wait, something else popped into my mind... The Transfiguration (which was before Jesus' death)... What are your thoughts on that Od... Was that seen through "spiritual eyes" only as well, or could that be seen with the physical?

Thanks...

Brandan

[Odyssey]

I am so pleased at how this is going! You guys and gals are the best!

cm: It was glorified at that point. Please consider the following:

John 7.39. 'But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.' Here we see that the spirit would be given when Jesus was glorified. During the forty days after his resurrection, the HS was not given. Only after the ascension was the HS given.

John 12.16. 'These things His disciples did not understand at the first; but when Jesus was glorified, then they remembered that these things were written of Him, and that they had done these things to Him.' In the context of this verse Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the donkey and the people cheered. This, again, was only understood by them after his ascension and not during the 40 days.

John 17.24. ' "Father, I desire that they also, whom Thou hast given Me, be with Me where I am, in order that they may behold My glory, which Thou hast given Me; for Thou didst love Me before the foundation of the world." ' Here, Jesus expressly declared that the disciples would 'behold [his] glory' when they were with him where he was. This was not referring anytime on earth, but must be referring to after his ascension.

Acts 1.9. 'And after He had said these things, He was lifted up while they were looking on, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.' Lastly, we know that 'cloud' represents the glory of god. It seems clear that it was at this moment that Jesus was glorified.

Concerning the 'transfiguration:' I think it could go either way. Maybe the disciples were given 'eyes to see' what his glorified or spiritual body looked like. But, from the other references cited above, it seems clear that Jesus did not have a 'glorified body' while on this earth.

Grace to you,

jak

[countrymouse]

Thanks for the reply!

Does that mean that his risen, physical body was then transformed into a spiritual body?

[Odyssey]

I think it would have to have been. Like we have always stated, 'flesh and blood' can't exist in the spiritual realm. Couple that with what John wrote:

1 John 3.2. 'Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we shall be. We know that, when He appears, we shall be like Him, because we shall see Him just as He is.'

Grace to you,

jak

[HIS]

I am in agreement with Odyssey. Again, since his original topic statement only refers to the “body” of JESUS after His resurrection and not before His ascension I see no evidence that shows he had a different “body” than a normal human.

Kermie’s reference to Rev 1:12-18 is clearly a reference to Jesus in his glorified state and in the spiritual realm. It was also after His ascension.

Regarding the Transfiguration. This was a good question. But, we must remember that JESUS was Almighty God manifested “in the flesh.”

With this in mind, perhaps the flesh (humanity of Jesus) was showing his divine nature in this transfiguration to prove to His disciples that he was more than just a man, more than one anointed by God -- For all of the fullness of the Godhead dwelt IN HIM (in bodily form).

When I read the passage, it also seems to me that the man Christ Jesus was being ministered to by Moses and Elijah just prior to crucifixion. Perhaps these two patriarchs of the Old Covenant were sent to give a pep talk to “THE CHRIST” who was to come and save Israel. Some day we will perhaps know the actual details of this discussion, but that is my current thought.

Mat 17:9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

Was the whole thing a vision or just the transfiguration? Visions are considered spiritual realm. In any case, it was only momentary and we know that the body of Jesus suffered and died after this Transfiguration…

[fredbvalani]

I find this discussion interesting but I am just curious, Why did Jesus refuse to be touched after his resurrection?.

[Odyssey]

Fred,

First, He didn't allow to be touched. The Greek word translated 'touch' in the KJV is 'haptomai (hap’-tom-ahee)' and it means, 'to fasten one’s self to, adhere to, cling to.' Other translations have this translated correctly.

Second, to answer your question, Jesus told Mary why: 'Jesus said to her, "Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren, and say to them, 'I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God' " ' (John 20.17, emphasis added). Apparently she didn't want to let him go. But Jesus had other things to do and so did she.

Grace to you,

jak

[Odyssey]

HIS,

I think the whole thing was a vision. They got a peek into the spiritual realm.

Grace to you,

jak

[Odyssey]

I am really surprised at the response from this post. I figured I would get all kinds of rebuttal because of the different things that Jesus did after his resurrection (walking through walls, disappearing from sight, etc.). But everyone has been pretty receptive.

This idea, of course, leads to other questions (don't they always ): What about our resurrection? What kind of body will it be?

Grace to you,

jak

[Brandan Kraft]

Hmmm, I don't believe it was a vision. Scripture really doesn't indicate Jesus walked through walls though, He just "appeared".

[countrymouse]

If I understand 1 Corinthians 15 correctly, it's a spiritual body. But, having said that, what is a spiritual body like? It occurs to me that angels ate with Abraham. This discussion also brought to mind one of the apostles' exhortation to practice hospitality toward strangers, "for some have entertained angels, unaware." I don't have time to look it up right now.

Later!
cm

[HIS]

Heb 13:1 Let brotherly love continue.

Heb 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

[Brandan Kraft]

Ok, now that we have seen that Jesus' body was not a glorified one, was His resurrected body a PHYSICAL one? I've heard that some preterists claim otherwise. What are your thoughts?

Brandan