Why do we even ahve denominations? I mean if tehy all followed the whoel bible as they all say wouldnt they all be the same thing???? im not teh brightest person here so i thot i woudl ask instead of tell
Why do we even ahve denominations? I mean if tehy all followed the whoel bible as they all say wouldnt they all be the same thing???? im not teh brightest person here so i thot i woudl ask instead of tell
"Those who know the past control the future"
Denominations are created by humans not submitting/allowing HOLY SPIRIT to LIVE YHWH's WORD (Genesis to Revelation) through them.
Humans try to interpret/understand YHWH's WORD on their own and they end up disagreeing and splitting up YHWH's BODY.
HOLY SPIRIT uses our (humans) differences to better/make solid YHWH's BODY. WE are many parts and no two parts will ever agree on everything. WE must submit/allow HOLY SPIRIT to LIVE YHWH's WORD (Genesis to Revelation) through US and HOLY SPIRIT will use our differences and CREATE YHWH's BODY.
UNITY is YHWH's WORD
ONE YHWH + ONE HOLY SPIRIT + ONE BODY (US) = ONE
How does one achieve this knowledge?
SUBMIT to YHWH's SALVATION, through MESSIAH YAH'SHUA,
SUBMIT to YHWH's HOLY SPIRIT, and
SUBMIT to YHWH's WORD (Genesis to Revelation).
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Tha Talmud (Avot 1:8) says, "Be a judge, not a lawyer."
A lawyer may sometimes advance his position without regard for TRUTH or validity.
A judge, on the other hand, weighs each side carefully.
When considering a question as profound and deep as the existence of our UNITY in YHWH,
WE must be an impartial jury.
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Listen to what others are saying.
Beit Hillel and Beit Shammai are two famous disputants in Talmudic literature. They argued about almost everything and saw the world from nearly opposite perspectives. They agreed that they would never agree.
To elude this trap, we can train ourselves to take other people's ideas seriously. The rule is to stay focused and calm. Communicate and discuss, rather than yell and proclaim. If anxiety, about needing to be right, becomes the primary concern, one becomes entrenched in a position. One gets defensive, interrupting, and responding impetuously. That one has lost the battle.
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Seek friends who challenge you.
The Talmud tells a story of Rebbi Yochanan, a great scholar who had a study partner named Reish Lakish. The two men studied together for many years until one day Reish Lakish died. Rebbi Yochanan was very depressed. His students were concerned and found Rebbi Yochanan a brilliant young man to study with him.
Two weeks later, Rebbi Yochanan was seen, still, very depressed. His students asked him, "Why are you still so depressed?
Rebbi Yochanan stated, "My new partner is so brilliant that whatever I say he brings "proofs" that I'm correct. When I studied with Reish Lakish he showed me "proofs" that I was wrong. I miss that. I don't want someone to agree with me. I want a partner who will challenge my position. In this way, we will arrive at the TRUTH together.
The Sages say,"Better the criticism of a friend, than a kiss of an enemy." A friend will tell you when you have something in your teeth, an enemy will tell you that you look great.
ECC 4:9 Two are better than one,
because they have a good return for their work:
ECC 4:10 If one falls down,
his friend can help him up.
But pity the man who falls
and has no one to help him up!
A true friend will challenge me into a better life!!!
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To not ask - is ignorance
There was a wealthy man named Rav Eisel Charif of Slonim. His daughter was ready to marry and Rav Eisel wanted to find the best young man possible. He traveled to the town of Volozhin. There were students under the tutelage of Rosh Yeshiva, the Netziv, a great teacher. Rav Eisel had a question for Rosh Yeshiva's students.
Rav Eisel stood in front of the students, one day, and announced, "I have a very difficult question on a passage in the Talmud. Whoever can supply the correct answer will have my daughter's hand in marriage." This caused a buzz of excitement. The students were excited at having a chance of marrying Rav Eisel's daughter.
For days, students stayed in line to answer the question and, for days, no one came up with the correct answer. Students even returned to try again and again, but still the correct answer was not given. Exhausted, Rav Eisel packed up and began to head out of town.
Getting to the edge of town, he heard, "Rav Eisel, Rav Eisel!!!" Rav Eisel turned as a young Yeshiva student ran up to him. The young student said,"Rav Eisel, I know I didn't answer the question correctly, but for my own sake, sir, could you please tell me what is the correct answer?
"Aha!" shouted Rav Eisel. "You will be my son-in-law!!!"
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The pursuit of TRUTH can be stifled by not asking the right question.
"I don't know, can you tell me what the answer is/can you explan what you mean?"
This question ends one's ignorance!!!
Pride will keep one from asking this question.
Pride is ignorance.
In our differences, WE can truly be UNITED.
WE are ONE!!!
LOVE,
RICOEL
WE are ONE.
The BODY of MESSIAH Ministry
I did not CREATE YOU for a certain time.
I CREATED YOU for ETERNITY.
I CREATED YOU for ME.
That is why I SAVED YOU.
For ME.
Your HUSBAND, YHSHWH
why denominations
Denominations are a clear expression of how we see darkly in this world. Historically, some have been started either by those who have strayed from the truth so far that they were expelled from their congregations or their congregations had strayed so far from the truth that they had to leave as a matter of conscience. Exs. Mormons, Jehova's Witnesses, Lutherans and Methodists.
http://www.angelfire.lycos.com/sc/cpt101/faith.html
In part, different people and groups of people have different ideas on things...they break off from one denomination because of disagreements on doctrine and practice.
Also, everybody is different in "style". Some like to worship this way or that way. Some like more structured, liturgical services, some like a more open and casual service.
2 Timothy 4:2-4
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1 Peter 3:15
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Excellent, insightful post! very wise advice. I agree 100%Originally posted by israelthebride
Denominations are created by humans not submitting/allowing HOLY SPIRIT to LIVE YHWH's WORD (Genesis to Revelation) through them.
Humans try to interpret/understand YHWH's WORD on their own and they end up disagreeing and splitting up YHWH's BODY.
HOLY SPIRIT uses our (humans) differences to better/make solid YHWH's BODY. WE are many parts and no two parts will ever agree on everything. WE must submit/allow HOLY SPIRIT to LIVE YHWH's WORD (Genesis to Revelation) through US and HOLY SPIRIT will use our differences and CREATE YHWH's BODY.
UNITY is YHWH's WORD
ONE YHWH + ONE HOLY SPIRIT + ONE BODY (US) = ONE
How does one achieve this knowledge?
SUBMIT to YHWH's SALVATION, through MESSIAH YAH'SHUA,
SUBMIT to YHWH's HOLY SPIRIT, and
SUBMIT to YHWH's WORD (Genesis to Revelation).
__________________________________________________ __
Tha Talmud (Avot 1:8) says, "Be a judge, not a lawyer."
A lawyer may sometimes advance his position without regard for TRUTH or validity.
A judge, on the other hand, weighs each side carefully.
When considering a question as profound and deep as the existence of our UNITY in YHWH,
WE must be an impartial jury.
__________________________________________________ __
Listen to what others are saying.
Beit Hillel and Beit Shammai are two famous disputants in Talmudic literature. They argued about almost everything and saw the world from nearly opposite perspectives. They agreed that they would never agree.
To elude this trap, we can train ourselves to take other people's ideas seriously. The rule is to stay focused and calm. Communicate and discuss, rather than yell and proclaim. If anxiety, about needing to be right, becomes the primary concern, one becomes entrenched in a position. One gets defensive, interrupting, and responding impetuously. That one has lost the battle.
__________________________________________________ __
Seek friends who challenge you.
The Talmud tells a story of Rebbi Yochanan, a great scholar who had a study partner named Reish Lakish. The two men studied together for many years until one day Reish Lakish died. Rebbi Yochanan was very depressed. His students were concerned and found Rebbi Yochanan a brilliant young man to study with him.
Two weeks later, Rebbi Yochanan was seen, still, very depressed. His students asked him, "Why are you still so depressed?
Rebbi Yochanan stated, "My new partner is so brilliant that whatever I say he brings "proofs" that I'm correct. When I studied with Reish Lakish he showed me "proofs" that I was wrong. I miss that. I don't want someone to agree with me. I want a partner who will challenge my position. In this way, we will arrive at the TRUTH together.
The Sages say,"Better the criticism of a friend, than a kiss of an enemy." A friend will tell you when you have something in your teeth, an enemy will tell you that you look great.
ECC 4:9 Two are better than one,
because they have a good return for their work:
ECC 4:10 If one falls down,
his friend can help him up.
But pity the man who falls
and has no one to help him up!
A true friend will challenge me into a better life!!!
__________________________________________________ __
To not ask - is ignorance
There was a wealthy man named Rav Eisel Charif of Slonim. His daughter was ready to marry and Rav Eisel wanted to find the best young man possible. He traveled to the town of Volozhin. There were students under the tutelage of Rosh Yeshiva, the Netziv, a great teacher. Rav Eisel had a question for Rosh Yeshiva's students.
Rav Eisel stood in front of the students, one day, and announced, "I have a very difficult question on a passage in the Talmud. Whoever can supply the correct answer will have my daughter's hand in marriage." This caused a buzz of excitement. The students were excited at having a chance of marrying Rav Eisel's daughter.
For days, students stayed in line to answer the question and, for days, no one came up with the correct answer. Students even returned to try again and again, but still the correct answer was not given. Exhausted, Rav Eisel packed up and began to head out of town.
Getting to the edge of town, he heard, "Rav Eisel, Rav Eisel!!!" Rav Eisel turned as a young Yeshiva student ran up to him. The young student said,"Rav Eisel, I know I didn't answer the question correctly, but for my own sake, sir, could you please tell me what is the correct answer?
"Aha!" shouted Rav Eisel. "You will be my son-in-law!!!"
_____________________________________
The pursuit of TRUTH can be stifled by not asking the right question.
"I don't know, can you tell me what the answer is/can you explan what you mean?"
This question ends one's ignorance!!!
Pride will keep one from asking this question.
Pride is ignorance.
In our differences, WE can truly be UNITED.
WE are ONE!!!
LOVE,
RICOEL
In His grace and for His glory
I beg to differ here. Mormons are not a Christian denomination, but a cult.Originally posted by gsr
Denominations are a clear expression of how we see darkly in this world. Historically, some have been started either by those who have strayed from the truth so far that they were expelled from their congregations or their congregations had strayed so far from the truth that they had to leave as a matter of conscience. Exs. Mormons, Jehova's Witnesses, Lutherans and Methodists.
Jehovah's Witnesses are also a cult.
Lutherans and Methodists are not. They are denominations.
In His grace and for His glory
I tend to agree...although I might not consider Mormons and JH as cults, I would definitely call them pseudo-christian religions. Nor were they ever christian that have strayed.
In the same boat as muslim, hindu, and buddhist...totally different religions.
2 Timothy 4:2-4
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1 Peter 3:15
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